And he did it brilliantly!

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    ngl, the show picks up. At first you get those “MURRICA” vibes and recoil like “plz not in star trek”. But then… it gets so much better.

    In fact, gonna piss off a few of you with this one, but Enterprise is much better than Discovery or even Picard once it picks up.

    I find Discovery and Picard to be a departure from the daring production, direction and storytelling that made Star Trek… well, Star Trek. Some might say “that was the point”, but was the point also to do the paint-by-numbers Hollywood remake bullshit that’s been blasting out of cinemas the passed, oh I don’t know… DECADE?!?

    Anyways, slow start, but it picks up and adds valiantly to the Star Trek canon…

    Also, y dey cancel Prodigy? :( Sadness.

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      I haven’t rewatched any Enterprise except the mirror duology since first run, but I really never got the hate people had for it. I think I always thought it was pretty good. I don’t know if I’d say it was better than Voyager overall, I think my main ding was what I think is a stupid idea of a prequel. But take that out of it, and I’d think they were even. I used to think they were tied for the bottom two, but Discovery and Picard have really lowered my opinion of what bad Trek can be, so Voyager and Enterprise look a lot better by comparison lol.

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        Ngl, Voyager is a banger. Does it drag on here and there? Yes. But my gawd is it good. Like my favourites list is kind of borked to some people, but for me it’s:

        1. DS9
        2. Voyager
        3. Next Generation, and
        4. Enterprise.

        Prodigy ends up as an honourable mention, and the rest of the modern shows end up as dishonourable finger pointing. Even “Lower Decks” had me thinking it was just another cash grab, which sucks, because I’m sure the writers and actors are trying their best.

        But yet, I’m still counting the months until I’ve forgotten most of the shows so I can go back AND BINGE THAT SHIT AGAIN!! In fact, chronologically, based on the timeline.

        Maybe we could have a schedule here on this community about when we’re going to watch which season of which show and have discussions about it, so we can stay in sync :D

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          I just started watching during covid. I mean I caught episodes my dad had on as a kid in syndication but never watched anything through because Netflix and the like didn’t exist.

          Having gone through enterprise, ds9 and next gen and starting voyager now. So far my ranking is

          1. SNW
          2. Enterprise
          3. Ds9
          4. Next generation
          5. Voyager

          Somewhere down the list is Picard which just seems like a cocked up reunion series that made little sense.

          Honestly 1-3 could almost be in any order, I really like SNW so far minus the doctors kid episode. Next generation is good for the competence porn and worf just being an idiot tho.

          I understand that this is not really a majority opinion. Enterprise was awesome in that it seemed the most realistic. Replicators werent really a thing. They didnt trust those transport beams and used shuttles and actually had to wear pressure suits and helmets. Same with SNW.

          Next Generation and the like was just crazy in that every dang away mission planet just so happened to have a gas mix of 70% N, 21% O2 and the rest CO2 and inert gases at like exctly 1atm (or at least a mixture within those norms)

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    It was night and day when he came in. The show went from mediocre and not what I wanted out of Trek prequel show to just outright bad with the Xindi arc, but then came back to be exactly the prequel I wanted. It even fixed earlier seasons with its 3 episode Kir’shara arc that explained why Enterprise Vulcans seemingly became antagonists that eschewed things like mind melds and other familiar aspects of their culture.

    Then when they canceled it, they got rid of him and gave us a truly awful finalie that crapped on the show and everything Manno Coto built.

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    I still watch enterprise from time to time. Wished there was more. I’m not really getting into the new Trek, and I’m extremely not getting into paying for another streaming service, but that’s a different story. Discovery and the constant crying was so annoying I decided to give up on the other stuff. It had really nice moments, but overall it was just meh.

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      I also suggest Strange New Worlds. It’s the best Trek since TNG (imo). There are certainly some silly parts and some episodes do lean a little more towards comedy then I’d like in my Trek, but even still. It’s good Trek.

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        SNW’s first season was pretty good, but so far the second season has surprisingly been a lot weaker. I’m hoping the next five episodes turn around.

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        It’s certainly the best of the live action modern Treks. Lower Decks also works surprisingly well.

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      Strange New Worlds is like Old Trek. Highly suggest it even if you have to sail the virtual seas to get it.

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        It’s closer to Old Trek. But in the last episode of S1

        spoiler

        where they take original TOS dialog for parts and mix it with modern dialog - man you really see the difference. Love it or hate it, the TOS dialog feels a lot more martial and IMO fits way better with having ranks on a ship.

        There’s good stuff in it, but they also seem to really have a problem making any non-quippy character, to the extent that I actually think it affects characterization. To that end, Ortegas still

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        isn’t that well fleshed out IMHO even with the last episode being 1/3 about her. I think earlier Trek played tricks to make characters feel more different, but those worked.

        Spock is certainly “in between” The Cage and TOS, but I think they’re going to have to re-do something like Kohlinar to explain his change in the last episode of SNW.

        It’s reasonably good, but significantly different too.

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          Your spoiler tags are not working correctly on my end, could be connect idk. But its just trying to resemble old trek. I don’t think it is trying to be a 1 for 1. I’ll take the delivery format over Discovery. We get episodes to focus on each character, we aren’t constantly drained by chasing some seasonal baddie. Its nice.