A Christian mother and daughter were shot dead by an Israeli soldier on the grounds of a Catholic church in Gaza City on Saturday, the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem said.

  • PhlubbaDubba@lemm.eeEnglish
    566·
    10 months ago

    See that’s the thing, Israelis by and large aren’t the Jews that survived the Holocaust, most of those folks stayed in Europe or immigrated to the US and Canada.

    Ashkenazi Jews in Israel who trace back to an arrival from that period are mostly the folks that handed the Nazis a fat stack to transfer their monetary assets to the banking infrastructure already established by the Zionists in Israel.

    Of the Holocaust Survivor families that ended up in Israel, a third live in abject poverty, because again, these were the folks that couldn’t just pay off the Nazis to let them go somewhere else, all of them face language discrimination because Israel banned the official use of historical Jewish languages like Ladino, Yiddish, and Mizrahi, and all of them risk getting slurred at by the non-holocaust-survivor families, specifically calling them Soap which is just one of the most blatantly heinous things I’ve discovered about how one community gets treated by another.

    There’s also the Russian Jews who ignore comparisons to the Holocaust and identify more with it being a rightful act of irredentism akin to the war in Ukraine.

    • ArtikBanana@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      93·
      10 months ago

      There are plenty of holocaust survivors in Israel from death camps and concentration camps, many who reached in ships as “Maapilim”.
      They are highly respected, evident by all the events around them every year on remembrance day for the holocaust, school trips to “Yad Vashem”. Sometimes holocaust survivors are also invited to schools and workplaces to tell their stories, or people go to their houses to listen to them. There are also a lot of civil organisations around helping holocaust survivors.
      The ones in poverty are mostly ones who came later on in the 1990’s from former Soviet Union, and usually didn’t or couldn’t contact authorities or know about what they deserve because of the language barrier - As many of them only speak Russian.
      It’s incredibly unfortunate, and almost all Israeli Jews see supporting them and helping them as important.

      From the PBS article you linked:

      The Center of Organizations of Holocaust Survivors in Israel, an umbrella group representing 50 organizations that assist Holocaust survivors

      Many of the most destitute immigrated to Israel in the 1990s from the former Soviet Union after its dissolution. They arrived with little means, had difficulty learning a new language late in life and many struggled to establish social networks.

      She said there’s broad public support for survivors but the government needs to provide more assistance.

      Holocaust remembrance remains a cornerstone of Israeli identity. A large percentage of the country is made up of survivors and generations of their descendants. The country marks its own Holocaust Remembrance Day each spring.

      I’ve never heard of any Israeli Jew calling them “soap”. That’s insane and would cause outrage by anyone who hears that.
      They didn’t face any discriminiation, since they were part of the people who founded Israel. Holocaust survivors helped build Israel and fought in its wars.

      Mizrahi isn’t even a language and Ladino speakers are mostly not holocaust survivors.

      • lolcatnip@reddthat.comEnglish
        83·
        10 months ago

        The ones in poverty are mostly ones who came later on in the 1990’s from former Soviet Union, and usually didn’t or couldn’t contact authorities or know about what they deserve because of the language barrier - As many of them only speak Russian.
        It’s incredibly unfortunate, and almost all Israeli Jews see supporting them and helping them as important.

        Imagine those poor government aid workers who want to help all the Holocaust survivors but just can’t figure out who they are because they don’t speak Russian! Must be awful for them!

          • ???@lemmy.worldEnglish
            83·
            10 months ago

            But even if they do, they still remain in poverty and are mistreated. It’s a symptom of what Israel is… When you drop the rights of some people, you don’t stop, you keep dropping the rights of more people.

            Here’s a good report on it: https://youtu.be/KMIIxCR2utQ?feature=shared

              • ???@lemmy.worldEnglish
                51·
                10 months ago

                The video answers your first question. I would recommend watching it.

                Have you done that? It only interviews Israelis and you can hear it from the mouths of holocaust survivors themselves.

                I’m not talking about rising living costs. I’m talking about holocaust survivors picking leftover fruit from the ground after the grocery stalls close down.

                • ArtikBanana@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                  33·
                  10 months ago

                  I’m quite familiar with the subject, but I watched anyway.

                  What one of the survivors talked about is terrible, but those kids are a minority and if I knew where this was I could guess which group they’re from.

                  Rising living costs is part of the reason some of the survivors had to resort to these things, as the money wasn’t enough anymore.
                  Not the case of those in the video, who weren’t getting money at all and seems like it was for the reasons I’ve written about above.

                  I’m so familiar with this because I’m Israeli and my grandparents were holocaust survivors. Part of the reason I’ve volunteered in the past to help survivors like the ones in the video.

                  • ???@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    41·
                    10 months ago

                    I’m so familiar with this because I’m Israeli and my grandparents were holocaust survivors. Part of the reason I’ve volunteered in the past to help survivors like the ones in the video.

                    That’s lovely! Good on you… still baffles me that you are refusing to see the issue here.

                    but those kids are a minority and if I knew where this was I could guess which group they’re from.

                    At the beginning it says they saw 13 holocaust survivor go through rubbish fruit and vegetables to be able to eat. You can say “rising living costs” all you want. If Israel respected holocaust survivors, rising living cost should never play a role, especially given all the funding they get for just that.

                    The issue seems to be widespread, not just a “couple few” here and there…

                    I don’t meant to be disrespectful but your answer sounds like that of a politician trying to wiggle out of reality. The reality is that holocaust survivors are mistreated, maybe in an Israel that doesn’t care about them or anyone anymore.

        • TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.idEnglish
          22·
          10 months ago

          I think the point is simply that there are language barriers that create problems. This is totally believable and is a coordinating issue in any country where there are immigrants who need social services but don’t speak the primary language. Not everything has to be down to all Israelis being bad people and not actually giving a fuck.

          • lolcatnip@reddthat.comEnglish
            1·
            10 months ago

            Nobody said all Israelis are bad. I’m American so I know all about shitty countries having a lot of good people in them.