• dlpkl@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    You’ve got an issue with people calling out racists and nationalists?

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        7 months ago

        The most egregious example would be Bill 21. Absolutely horrendous legislation that does nothing but marginalize those who are already marginalized. Despite what the Quebecois would like you to believe, it’s a piece of proxy legislation that aims to exclude religious and ethnic minorities from Quebec society, plain as day.

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          Just a quick look, that’s just the same as France’s law on religious iconography except only for government employees?

          Trying to limit the danger of religion sounds like a good thing to me.

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            Firstly, this isn’t France. We have a charter of rights and freedoms that Quebec used a BS notwithstanding clause to get around so that they could pass the bill. Secondly, there’s practical and effective ways to curb the danger of religion without taking a) taking away people’s livelihoods b) making them choose between their faith and their job and c) forcing them to move out of the province to find a workplace that doesn’t go against Canadian ideals.

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              Who’s concerned then? A minority of government jobs, plenty of opportunities for people who want to display a religious sign and worst case there’s the private sector if they truly don’t agree.

              Is it any different from asking the people who have the exact same jobs from not displaying their political allegiance? Both religion and freedom of expression are protected by the Canadian Charter, don’t forget that.

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                So there’s an imaginary line in the sand that you’ve drawn regarding how many jobs are allowed to be denied to minorities? Ever heard of the slippery slope argument?

                I thank you for the kind reminder of the existence of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. I wonder if the Quebec legislators have ever read it. Have you? Maybe your rights are only protected when you’re off the clock eh?

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                  Again, what about political signs? No one complains about that… Weird right?

                  Quebec made the decision 60 years ago to get religion out of its institutions, only the Catholic Church was concerned at the time but today is a different reality and the Révolution Tranquille is a big part of what makes Quebec what it is today. I don’t know why someone that’s religious to the point that they wouldn’t accept to separate their private religious life from their job would want to represent a laïc government just like I don’t understand why an atheist would want to go work for the government in a theocracy.

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                    7 months ago

                    So your argument is basically that since someone’s rights aren’t respected at a workplace, they shouldn’t work there. Is this a mask off moment or are you starting to realize what the CAQ had intended with Bill 21 all along?

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          Oh the double standards. The religious minorities should be protected at all costs, but the québécois don’t deserve that same protection. It’s always the ““inclusivity/minority activists”” that are the most against Québec when Québec itself fits inside this very definition. For the common good, please just fuck off.

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            It’s really funny how triggered you are. Believe it or not but French speakers aren’t a minority in Quebec. Wild, I know!

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        7 months ago

        Great, then you shouldn’t have an issue calling out the CAQ and the nationalists that support them 👍🏼

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          So it’s wrong to be proud of your culture and to expect people that make the choice to live in it to actually want to become part of it?

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            Absolutely not. When a person receives their Canadian citizenship they agree to uphold the values of the Canadian constitution and they are also afforded the rights that it lays out. Remind me, is the right to freedom of religion included in those documents?

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              Is the right to force a person to wear specific clothing in there too or is it just ok if it’s a religious group or a person’s family that choose their clothings?

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                Are you asking me if the right to enforce a dress code is in the Canadian constitution? Is this a joke or have you lost the plot?

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            Nothing at all. Please wear a t-shirt that says White Pride on it and put a bumper sticker on your car to that effect also whatever dating app you use make sure it is shown. You can also get a tat that says it on your neck or arm. Please please do this. You know after you scream at a woman wearing a hijab an incoherent scream in that obscure language called French.

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              See, a judge and a teacher wouldn’t be allowed to wear a pin that says “white pride” because in their professional life they represent a State that has specific values and their image must reflect that. One such value of that State is the separation of religion and State.