"We hope the world hears us and knows that the people of Israel are not the government of Israel," said one protester.

“We hope the world hears us and knows that the people of Israel are not the government of Israel,” said one protester.

Israelis protested on Saturday night, calling for a ceasefire and the resignation of hardline Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Tens of thousands took to the streets in Tel Aviv to demand that the government reach a deal with Hamas to secure the release of Israeli hostages in Gaza.

They also called for new elections, accusing Netanyahu of prolonging the conflict to keep himself in power.

  • InformalTrifle@lemmy.worldEnglish
    437·
    7 months ago

    There’s just one small flaw in your plan. Hamas has widespread support in Palestine and is not interested in peace, only in the destruction of Israel.

    If you end the war you just go back to the previous situation where Hamas will continue to persistently launch rockets at Israel and execute more terror attacks, not peace.

    • danekrae@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      7 months ago

      “Now we’ve justified, that 70% of the murdered people are women and children, right? RIGHT?! REICH?!”

      • InformalTrifle@lemmy.worldEnglish
        310·
        7 months ago

        No, I’m not commenting on Israels methods which clearly could be better, to put it mildly. That doesn’t mean it’s logical to dream there can ever be peace with jihadists

    • 𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮@lemm.eeEnglish
      91·
      7 months ago

      Maybe it has such support because of Israel actions. I bet after the Netanjahu war crimes it will have 99%. Hell survivors probably will KoS anyone who even remotely resembles someone from Israel and will pass this tradition on generations to come.

      • InformalTrifle@lemmy.worldEnglish
        214·
        7 months ago

        I can understand why you’d think that coming from a position of logic, but no, it’s Islam.

        You’re right, it’ll probably go from >50% to 99%. And probably few of them will ever acknowledge that their religion and support of Hamas is what led to this tragedy.

        • 𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮@lemm.eeEnglish
          82·
          7 months ago

          So what you want to just murder them all? Clean up the place? There are certain historical figures from ww2 Germany and Russia that figured out all the methods, bells and whistles.

          • InformalTrifle@lemmy.worldEnglish
            29·
            7 months ago

            Where did I say I wanted to murder anyone?

            Where do you live? Was it always the country it is now? How would your government react to constant bombardment from a fanatical religious neighbour that wanted to wipe your country off the map to get into paradise?

            • 𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮@lemm.eeEnglish
              33·
              7 months ago

              Probably not digging mass graves everywhere. It would be lots of foundational work. Cultural assimilation. Economic warfare. Coca Cola. Replacing the leaders.

              Violence is easiest and quickest but is also stupid and has opposite effect, unless of course we go all the way to a complete wipe out. Stalin way.

              At this point there is no half measures. You have to go all the way, total wipeout. Those people will not forgive Israel in hundred years. It makes no sense to start genocide but not finish it. That would be pure madness and random convulsions of some blind, shortsighted idiot.

              Hell, I would grab a grenade launcher myself at this point if I was in their shoes. This stuff is the worst possible way to handle it.

              They could throw a nuke there and it wouldn’t be far off from the mess it is now.

              Result is everyone hates them, people are all radicalised against them. Bombings inside Israel will probably continue nevertheless. Nothing is solved but there is a gargantuan pile of problems added.

              I suspect the goal was populism all along. And this guy is a psychopath.

    • Maggoty@lemmy.worldEnglish
      71·
      7 months ago

      If they aren’t interested in peace then why was it Netanyahu who just torpedoed the current cease fire proposal and not Hamas?

      • InformalTrifle@lemmy.worldEnglish
        26·
        7 months ago

        Clearly because he wants to eliminate the jihadist terrorist organisation. I’m not claiming that’s the right decision but I understand it. But it seems a lot of Israelis don’t support him.

        But just because Netanyahu is no longer interested in peace doesn’t automatically make Hamas a peaceful group. The group that performs suicide bombings, uses human shields, beheads civilians, would stone you to death for drawing a picture of the prophet. They are not looking for peace no matter how much you downvote

    • Phoenixz@lemmy.caEnglish
      1·
      6 months ago

      Yeah, and who’s to blame for that, literally by funding Hamas? The Israeli government.

      If they could fund hamas then they can also fund schools, hospitals, help rebuild Gaza.

      None of what you say should stand in the way of a peace treaty