• ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
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    14 days ago

    I’m a little surprised to hear people so willing to let the government of Ireland determine who they are allowed to hate and for what reasons.

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      14 days ago

      Because at this point, I trust the Irish government more than Reddit to make proper moderation judgements.

      It’s not a high bar, and not ideal… but I feel social media’s raging internal issues have overshadowed the fear of governments worming their way inside, at least in my eyes.

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      13 days ago

      You are making such a useless point that requires minimal effort or thought. It would be better if you actually shared a tangible concern rather than providing a strawman argument meant to cause an irrational fear in people reading your comment.

      For example, you could have shared which group of people you want to be a protected class and is not by Irish law; or which group of people is currently a protected class by Irish law and should not be. At least, then, you would have brought up a real concern about how the Irish government is determining hate speech; because right now, all you are doing is fear mongering.

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        13 days ago

        I oppose letting anyone define hate speech as a matter of principle, because even if I agree with the definition completely now, I may not continue to agree with the definition in the future. Look at what has been happening in the USA since the October 7 attack: a lot of people I had considered my political allies turned out to have beliefs I consider to be hateful, and meanwhile these people consider my own beliefs hateful. The solution is not to empower a single central authority to decide which sort of hate is allowed. It is (as it has always been) to maintain the principle of free speech.

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          13 days ago

          How about incitements to violence and outright explicit disinformation/misinformation, like:

          • [group] should be [violent act]
          • [group] are [dehumanizing pejorative] that deserve [violent act]
          • [dogwhistle for the actual Nazis, like the 14 words, terminology specifically referencing the Final Solution, etc]
          • [hard r] are [extreme dehumanizing pejorative] and don’t deserve [human rights]
          • [violent or repulsive act] the [slur]
          • “Despite only making up 13%…”
          • “Whites create and forget, [slur]s copy and remember…”