Most of the misinformation communities are easy to spot, but !collapse@lemm.ee falls into a slightly different category, and it presents itself in an unusual way. It seems like one of the main mods flavors his postings with a consistent sprinkling of posts that say that Europe not buying fossil fuels from Russia is a catastrophe for Europe, and they must reverse course as soon as possible and stop trying to depend on renewable energy, since it doesn’t work.

Here are some examples from a most recent post. It’s far from the only post that includes this general shape and character, but it’s particularly on the nose. From https://lemm.ee/post/49292464:

That will leave Europe with expensive LNG from Qatar and the US, as well as some pipeline gas from Norway and through Turkiye, which is Russian gas in a roundabout, third-party way. As always: higher complexity comes at a higher price — a direct consequence of the EU’s economic war on its largest energy supplier.

With the predictable unpredictability of wind and solar, however, and with a massive reliance on natural gas fired power plants to balance electricity demand, Europe has just saw the fastest drop in natural gas storage in years. Yes, the weather was cold in the past couple of weeks, but it wasn’t nearly as cold as it could get in the dead of winter. Wind on the other hand stopped blowing, which not only resulted in lower electricity generation from wind turbines, but also in thicker clouds and more persistent fog… Leading to a much diminished solar power generation. Welcome to the good old Dunkelflaute (or the dark doldrums) so common this time of year, and by the way sometimes throughout the entire winter… Who could have thought that “renewables” produce much less electricity during wintertime…?

Whenever a large solar farm returns production it sends a shock wave through the grid, damaging sensitive equipment nearby. Similarly, when a cloud suddenly blocks the Sun a micro-blackout could occur (lasting a few milliseconds) till back up capacity comes online. These fluctuations in the supply of electricity has forced many companies with sensitive manufacturing equipment to install surge protectors and uninterruptible power supply units costing tens or hundreds of thousands of Euros (depending on size) or outright buying a natural gas powered generation unit to produce their own stable electricity supply.

In the meantime, and just for the record, the IMF has just named Russia the 4th largest economy of the world, surpassing Japan and Germany; after the World Bank classified it as a high income country. Despite all protestations, sanctions actually helped Russia rein in its worst oligarchs and encouraged investments to replace lost imports. Contrary to what Europe’s ruling elite had in mind, their policy has lead to a huge economic boom in Russia, driven by internal consumption and powered by an abundant supply of fossil fuels.

I asked the mod about what was up with this, on an earlier post, and they didn’t seem to have much of a response other than an appeal to authority. (https://lemm.ee/post/49069993)

Obviously, I could be right or wrong, and no one’s obligated to answer my questions about anything, but at that point I was looking at it as “You may be unintentionally posting misinformation” and warning the person, and their response didn’t line up for me with someone who is innocently posting informative content because they believe it to be true.

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          14 days ago

          Okay? You did not provide any proof of those examples being Russian propaganda websites though? Just because someone shares Russian talking points, does not make the website a Russian propaganda site. I asked for actual proof of that statement that makes them near 100% confident, because that would require substantial proof. But it seems it’s just feelings and “I don’t like their opinion” based instead, which is a sad metric for being nearly 100% convinced.

          Edit: You all really love disinformation, huh? At least it feeds your confirmation bias instead of telling the truth, that’s the most important thing.

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            You caught me. I don’t like their opinion that solar panels cause micro-blackouts which damage equipment whenever a cloud passes across the sun, and all across Europe people are buying their own gas mini-power-plants because the power grid is ruining their factory equipment, and just based on my feelings, I felt like that statement made me really sad, and I lashed out by accusing it of being hilariously incompetent propaganda instead of the informative iconoclasty that it really is.

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              13 days ago

              Well, feel free to provide proof that those sites are Russian propaganda websites then.

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                13 days ago

                I never said I had proof. I actually specifically said that I could be right or wrong about this, but was just presenting what I think about it. Why would I have proof? I am not an intelligence agency or anything.

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                  Because you’re replying to this comment chain where I’m inquiring about proof regarding the claim that those websites are Russian propaganda websites.

                  Trying to dismiss someone who is asking for proof & sources of a claim is certainly part of the Russian propaganda playbook, so I’m not sure how believable you peeps are with what you’re saying.

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                    You asked for specifics, so I cited the specific articles, including excerpting some claims that are so transparently absurd that it’s hard to see them any other way other than being Russian propaganda.

                    Is that “proof”? It is not. You seem unhappy with that answer. Okay. Not sure what else to tell you.

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                  13 days ago

                  If you think I can’t use translators, you’re wrong. But aside from your homophobic insult, it’s quite ironic that you call me that when you’re the one who has no interest in the truth, which is quite the Putin trait. They made a claim without it being backed by any sort of evidence and you just eat it up because you want to believe it. Don’t be a sucker.