it’s like you believe you can tariff them expecting they won’t do the same. Why do you believe the rest of the world is not going to retaliate and why do you believe America can prosper without the rest of the world?

What’s the point of having a military alliance with countries you puts tariffs on? That’s unfriendly to say the least.

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    Yeah this line of reasoning doesn’t really gel with actual reality considering Trump is now talking about repealing the chip Act. He’s not actually trying to bring back Manufacturing. Trump has never cared about that. He doesn’t give a shit about Outsourcing manufacturing jobs and his boss Elon Musk certainly doesn’t.

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      But the chips act supporters paired it with plans for chip manufacturers visas, which would’ve imported cheap indentured labor from Taiwan. It wasn’t actually going to bring jobs here.

      And the government not footing the bill for these companies doesn’t prevent them from paying for their own factories. Especially if tariffs give them little choice.

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        cheap indentured labor from Taiwan

        The extremely well-paid and literally best-on-the-planet chip manufacturers? The highly skilled engineers with years of education and expertise, who continuously outpace the achievements of much larger companies and nations? The ones who work in a narrow field that doesn’t actually matter for jobs reports, because they’re such a small group of experts and the real gain in jobs for the economy would be the labor involved in building the fabs for them?

        Calling them “cheap indentured labor” is just casual xenophobia.

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          Sounds like you have no clue about the abuse endured by H1B recipients in this country.

          Or you’re just another bad actor trying to adopt the language of the oppressed to defend their exploitation.

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            H1B recipients are horribly abused, true. But that’s because they’re used the way capitalism uses everyone it considers replaceable - grind them down and move onto the next. Doesn’t apply to - again - the literally best-on-the-planet engineers. They’re not coding for Xitter, they can walk at any time and find employment and visas elsewhere.

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              “…they can walk at any time…”

              No, they often can’t. That’s one of the worst abuses imposed upon them.

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                Engineers from Taiwan that have chip design skills? Yes, they can walk at any time.

                You’re taking a general case of H1B visa abuse–which is completely valid in broad terms–and applying it to a specialized case where the materials conditions are different.

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                  That seems an expectation formed based on opinion of how things should work, and not in any way a reflection of how US capitalist policy has ever actually worked throughout history.