The Firefox browser now has a built-in page translator that works even without the Internet::Mozilla has announced the release of an update to its Firefox browser. In version number 118, users will find a significant innovation - a built-in translator

    • TheFrirish@jlai.lu
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      10 months ago

      that’s really good news even though I don’t use firefox anymore (sorry vivaldi user) I’m glad firefox is actually improving.

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        10 months ago

        Nothing against Vivaldi, used it a lot since it’s release, but found my way back to Firefox last year since I just couldn’t stand giving Google anymore power over the web market. The less I give Google, the better I feel, but also the better off the web will be. Once again as a company Vivaldi does a fantastic job and their stances on privacy are admirable, but I just can’t support Chromium these days.

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          10 months ago

          I totally understand you that’s the reason I was using Firefox also. but after discovering that their main revenue is from Google and that firefox is basically kept alive BY Google just so they can say that it looks like their supporting different browsers is a big no. Performance and display problems on my phone were really annoying (I was using Mull on my phone and firefox on desktop).

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            10 months ago

            You’re so close but you’re still missing the point. Google gives money to Firefox to make it the default search, that’s it. Google has zero say what Firefox does besides it being the default search engine. Google does the same thing with Apple’s Safari, they give Apple literally over a Billion dollars just to be the default search, so would Apple be bad then too? If I can encourage you Just to use Firefox and try not to make excuses for staying with Google’s browsers just because Firefox isn’t absolutely perfect.

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              You’re also missing the point. Google gives firefox around 85% of it’s revenue. We are really fighting an uphill battle against against corporations that have even bribed our allies. I don’t want to argue because at this point it’s pointless I don’t want to be pitted against people who support FOSS because that’s what I want to use and that’s what I use most of time. But when it comes to browsers we have lost that battle.

              Unless we find 800 million dollars in donations, Mozilla is just the pet dog of google at this point.

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                10 months ago

                My dude you’re not here to convince me, you’re here to try convince yourself you’ve already resigned. Stop making excuses and just use Firefox. Over and out, cheers!

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    10 months ago

    As a long term Firefox user, I’ve been disappointed with Mozilla’s decisions in the recent years, but this is awesome. This is the kind of features Firefox should be receiving instead of useless UI changes.

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    10 months ago

    Only these languages though:

    Bulgarian
    Dutch
    English
    French
    German
    Italian
    Polish
    Portuguese
    Spanish
    
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        Yeah but these websites are usually already localized in English at least to some extent. Many Asian websites would benefit much more from this.

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          10 months ago

          There’s an edge case for Switzerland with 4 official languages but German being the majority. Many websites and documents “forget” to translate into other minority languages.

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        10 months ago

        No news on that though AFAIK that’s the most requested one. As other comment pointed out currently these languages are WIP:

        • Russian
        • Persian (Farsi)
        • Icelandic
        • Norwegian Nynorsk
        • Norwegian Bokmål
        • Ukrainian
        • Dutch

        Personally I’d like to see more asian languages as that part of the web is lacking English but those languages are much harder to implement and all of this contribution here is mostly by European universities and organizations.

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          Nynorsk supporters just never quit do they. Half the country wants it gone and less than 10 percent of the country uses it, still it’s on the list while Swedish and Danish aren’t, lmao.

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        10 months ago

        Me, too. I end up using TWP, and that works pretty well, minus the fact that it’s filtered through either Google Translate, Bing, Yandex or DeepL with an API key.

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      That’s really not good. Literally all of these are European languages.

      I’d rather have it connected to a better translation service than have it be offline. I don’t understand why the translator working offline is even a plus. It’s a web browser.

      I assume there must not be any FOSS translation services they can use so this offline translator is just a consequence of that.

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        It’s for privacy purposes. An online translator requires that all the text you’re reading be sent to a third party, which may or may not use it for nefarious purposes. E.g. maybe you translate your bank account’s web page because there’s a word you don’t know, and now Google knows how much money you have in your bank account.

        If you don’t care about that kind of privacy, then there’s no reason you couldn’t use an existing online translator. Firefox has always supported that.

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        10 months ago

        That’s fine for translating news articles, but maybe not for private email. Different people accept different risk levels in different situations. If you have reason to be using https then maybe you don’t want to send that data to a third party.

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        10 months ago

        I’m sure they would be happy to accept your help in translating a new language.

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        10 months ago

        Gets 5 free stuff and bitches for not getting 50. Some people…

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      10 months ago

      Yeah this is why I still use at least 1 Google Translate extension in addition to the FF one. Need my Chinese man

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    10 months ago

    Glad to see this has made it into the browser! This has been a 🇪🇺 funded project for years now!

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    10 months ago

    This was prieviously available as an addon/extension. It’s really cool they are able to do this locally, and it works well.

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      You still need an extension for certain languages. It seems like they only have about a dozen available, a few more on the way, and hardly any eastern languages yet.

      Production

      • Spanish
      • Estonian
      • English
      • German
      • Czech
      • Bulgarian
      • Portuguese
      • Italian
      • French
      • Polish

      Development

      • Russian
      • Persian (Farsi)
      • Icelandic
      • Norwegian Nynorsk
      • Norwegian Bokmål
      • Ukrainian
      • Dutch
  • Marius@lemmy.mariusdavid.fr
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    I’ve been using for a few months. Here is my opinion:

    • Translation quality is still far from good, but is good enought to be understandable.
    • Can’t translate PDF files (hope it could do it in the future, even if that mean reflowing it)
    • The extension allowed to keep translating this tab. That’s a future that, in my opinion, would be highly appreciated in the built-in translator (instead of enabling the “always translate”).
    • The language choice doesn’t correspond with what I usually need (which is chinese. But I know chinese is notably hard to translate.)
    • It seems that translation into french first goes thought a first pass of english translation. While this still produce readable result, targeting english is for now probably the best option (even thought the cost of implementing a new language translation pair doesn’t seems too high, I understand they might prioritise adding more language, at least for now. Actually, I should probably contribute to this myself if I care as much about it)
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      Very interesting points, does OCR work with PDF? Might be a possible temporary work around to run the pdf through ocr and pipe back into Firefox (maybe by running it on a local version of the .html and just directly injecting the pdf back in? Not sure, could be a fun project!

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        10 months ago

        Well… I once tried to just copy the pdf into a .txt file that I then opened into firefox, but it seems to not translate .txt, thought it may be cause they are not HTML.

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          Yeah sadly PDF content is practically baked in like an image. If you want to learn more you can search for the breakdown of pdf structure at the infosec institute website, remember there being an article that was pretty informative. I’ll see if I can find it later today and update this

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    I’m guessing this isn’t on mobile yet?

    The number of languages available is pretty small but I do appreciate them trying to respect users privacy with this feature

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      yea, mobile is sadly always pretty behind in festures. And while I do appreciate them adding more and also good features, I’d also love to see them reworking existing ones. The autofill on mobile is a nightmare, I think even Lockwise worked better than this. It’s still uncomparable to Google’s autofill, which 99% works flawlessly even in other apps.

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    10 months ago

    Yo can I have that picture in high resolution for my desktop wallpaper?

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    10 months ago

    This was the last thing I actively used chrome for, time to fully switch over I guess now that I can translate my Russian tracker.

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      I wish I could leave chrome, but FF can’t keep up with me. I’ve been trialing FF across multiple systems and OS’s and it’s the same across them all, around 100-150 tabs it gets unstable, uses way more RAM than Chrome and then eventually crashes

      I can have literally hundreds upon hundreds of tabs in Chrome.

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        I get tab anxiety at about 20 at which point the least visited get scrapped.

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          A lot of people seem to never use bookmarks and depend on just leaving the tabs open. shrug I guess they let their history last forever too.

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            when you keep a tab open, it remembers the scroll position, it’s usefull when you read a long page and leave reading in the middle and start browsing other sites. Also why would you delete history? Sites can’t read browser history.

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        Interesting, I found chrome to be worse with a lot of tabs open. Not much worse though, I think they are both bad. I started using OneTab with FF and it made things a lot smoother. Easy way to save specific windows with a lot of tabs until I need it again later.

        Now I only use about ten active windows with 4-50 tabs each lol

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          Idk man lol I was testing FF to try to get off Chrome and I tested it on multiple Win10 and MacOS computers (Physical and VMs) and it was pretty much the same across

          Although Chrome seems to get weird once you cross the 600 tab barrier, but having a 600 tab “limit” vs