• Chetzemoka@startrek.website
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    It’s not never ending. We’re very critical of the racism and sexism in medical research. And the younger generations of doctors are far more aware of it.

    We used to butcher women in radical mastectomy surgeries and we don’t do that anymore. We used to do medical experiments on black Americans without telling them and we don’t do that anymore. For everything that you can point to as a current problem, I can point to another thing that used to be a problem and now has been corrected.

    And still none of that has anything to do with physics, chemistry, materials science, geology, oceanography. You can’t just say “racism impacts some sciences therefore we shouldn’t do science at all”

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      We’re very critical of the racism and sexism in medical research.

      You’re demonstratably actively and overtly ignoring examples given to you, right now, showing just how flawed your claimed “critical” status is of such issues.

      And still none of that has anything to do with physics, chemistry, materials science, geology, oceanography.

      Yes, you have that ivory tower of yours crammed so high that you’re willfully ignoring intersectional issues that do affect the application, interpretation, even the funding and political will to allocate resources to such fields.

      For everything that you can point to as a current problem, I can point to another thing that used to be a problem and now has been corrected.

      That only demonstrates that correcting the process and actively rejecting bad/false science requires ongoing vigilance, not smug and arrogant dismissal of concerns.

      therefore we shouldn’t do science at all

      No one said that and you’re willfully ignorant at this point.

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          You think it’s anti-intellectual to address intersectional society-wide concerns? Is it truly “intellectual” to pretend that they didn’t happen or that they only happened in the past? ok

          It is the pinnacle of ideological arrogance to believe that scientific fields, as practiced by scientists, exist in perfectly sealed vacuums that require no interaction with government or society and that every experiment that is funded, all research undertaken, is powered by sheer scientific purity instead of the unfortunate material realities of funding and decisions made of “what” is researched and for how long.

          It does affect all of the above fields if funding and resources are wasted in pursuit of junk science. Announcing that such junk should be “free” and distributed out there under the belief that it will magically be banished by the light of truth and cease being distributed entirely because it is wrong with no other actions necessary is willful ideological ignorance.

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            Lord in heaven above, this child. You haven’t listened to a single word I’ve said and you’re just repeating yourself. Have a good night.

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              this child

              Assuming people that disagree with you are children, and using that for insult purposes only demonstrates your contempt, even hatred, of children.

              You failed to address what I talked about so of course I repeated myself. You had nothing to respond to but your own arrogant dismissal of issues and your empty sense of superiority.

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                  So much for your fedora-tipping farewell. You needed to add just how not mad you are at having uncomfortable issues brought up that you failed to address.

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                    No I’m just amusing myself at this point because I can tell you’re one of those people who needs to have the last word