I am nothing without my morning coffee.
Co-Moderator for @Neoliberal on kbin.social
Other aliases:
Mastodon: @CoffeeAddict
Lemmy: @Coffee_Addict
Exactly one of the reasons why I remain a skeptic.
I don’t want sound too much like I’m complaining about “Eternal September” but I quite like how kbin’s microblog is right now. Having millions of threads users suddenly flood it with random… crap… would change it forever.
I haven’t used instagram in more than half a decade. When I hopped on to see what it was like recently, I hardly recognized it and all the content was completely irrelevant. I would hate to see that happen to the microblog.
Right, and that’s part of why I remain a skeptic. Kbin’s microblog being overtaken by Thread’s content could very well limit kbin’s growth and viability as a microblogging platform - especially if Meta pulls the plug later.
But, I have also seen the opinion that not having Threads content could make kbin unappealing as a microblogging platform. (I’m not sure if I agree with this, but I have seen it mentioned.)
I guess the questions are, Can Kbin grow with Threads content? And, Will the lack of Threads content make it unappealing to new users?
Also, another problem I think is that kbin might not have the userbase and content yet to be self-sustaining when faced with a goliath company like Meta; if we produced as much content as Threads will (or enough to the point that defederating kbin would hurt Threads) then there wouldn’t be much of a concern.
Idk, Threads is ultimately the one forcing the situation (probably intentionally) where federating with them is risky but also refusing to do so could be self-isolating. I still maintain that they’re doing it now while the fediverse is still young for a reason, and that is so they can grab so much of the “fondue” that everyone comes to them anyway.
I would like to see kbin succeed, and I don’t trust Meta. Whatever kbin decides to do I will be here for it, but I’m definitely a Meta skeptic.
Defederation is about what an instance allows in, not what an instance allows out. Defederation stops you seeing the defederated instance’s content, but it does not stop them seeing your instance’s content.
Threads poses some danger to the fediverse, in particular the portion of it centered around microblogging (mostly Mastodon, but also Pleroma, parts of /kbin, etc.), but very little risk to the threadiverse.
The worst thing about the fediverse is all the fondue, but you don’t have to eat it.
Emphasis from the original post.
This is a detailed summary, thank you for linking.
I have also read some other POVs here; my fears are not totally allayed and I still think Meta is only engaing with Activity Pub to prevent new, potential competitors arising from it.
I hope the OP is right about it being very little risk to the Threadiverse. The good news is that Threads is focused enitrely on microblogging and not the Threadiverse. Perhaps that means Kbin and Lemmy users will be able to sit on the sidelines and see how it plays out for a bit, idk. Mastodon users will be seeing the most change.
Either way, I remain a skeptic.
I see what you’re saying, but I really don’t see what Meta stands to gain in the long run from an open fediverse. It just doesn’t seem compatible with their business model to allow users who aren’t on their platform to interact with content created on their platform. They need data so they can sell it to advertisers, and I don’t see how that works when your users can just jump to another instance with no advertisments and access all the same content.
What do you think Meta stands to gain from Activity Pub, and why wouldn’t they just make their own closed protocol? (I am asking in good faith, because I do not really know.)
Ori and the Blind Forest & Ori and the Will of the Wisps were absolutely beautiful games. The artstyle was marvelous.
I’ll be curious to see what this looks like for that reason alone.
Idk, but you would think they would have invested in a better system, especially because they’re handling sensitive data related to people’s health.
I wonder, does HIPPA apply to data collected by 23&Me? I would imagine so because it’s health related.
[…] about 5.5 million people who opted-in to 23andMe’s DNA Relatives feature, which allows customers to automatically share some of their data with others. The stolen data included the person’s name, birth year, relationship labels, the percentage of DNA shared with relatives, ancestry reports and self-reported location.
Well, that’s just great.
The article also says that hackers were selling the data for up to $10 per account.
Interestingly, 23&Me also just updated their terms of service a couple days ago too.
The last I heard, @hariette couldn’t add kbin.social to Artemis until the API was released and the instance updated to have it.
It also looks like hariette took a short break from Artemis for personal reasons, but returned recently and even replied to a comment about enabling mbin instances for the app.
Perhaps once ernest formally enables the API, hariette will be able to update Artemis accordingly? Just my guess.
Not yet - Ernest is working on it but is dealing with some issues in his personal life first.
https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/t/544021/So-what-s-the-status-on-the-update-edit-ernest-responded
Yeah, I read that this was supposed to happen this week, but so far I have not heard about any updates.
I fully support ernest and harriet each taking their time to do it right, though. A bad update is worse than a delayed one.
Yeah, I know next to nothing about programming a social media website or making an app so I want to be patient; I can’t even begin to imagine the amount of work this takes.
I know ernest is working really hard to make sure the update goes exactly as planned and that takes time. I also know that it’s a lot of work for harriet too on the Artemis side of things.
To the surprise of no one here, they are continuing to make reddit worse.
Well this makes me sad lol.
The game is still fantastic, but a well-done DLC is always welcome.
There is truth to this. But, Reddit’s drama also put the spotlight on the fediverse and the need for alternatives to Reddit in general. Personally, I can say I did not even know it existed. Over the last ten-or-so years, Reddit really did develop a monopoly on forums. The progress we have seen with Kbin, lemmy, etc is because of their heavy-handed and poorly executed crackdown on third-party apps.
But still, you are correct that the fediverse was not yet a full-fledged alternative to Reddit in June. Many lemmy clients, such as Memmy or Mlem, were not ready yet. And most promising Kbin client, Artemis, is still in beta as well. Even Kbin itself is still technically a beta (not that I don’t love them both lol). Had all of these been ready in June, then I think the Reddit exodus would have been much more dramatic and impactful.
I think we need to give it a bit more time. After all, Reddit didn’t get huge overnight either. So long as we keep posting and commenting away, and create environments/communities that are welcoming, we should be able to eventually grow into something that can rival Reddit.
Right.
My intuition says this has to do with kbin wanting to interface with mastodon, but I cant be sure.
I do wonder how this will impact the Fediverse as it grows. I would not be surprised if the feature creates schisms in the future.
It actually already is a feature. Kbin puts it upfront, and I think lemmy also has a way to access it.
I think it remains to be seen whether or not it’s a good idea.
I’ve seen some people say they like the idea because it make people think twice about downvoting - it cuts back on the instinctive “I don’t like this so I am gonna downvote.”
But, as you said, do we really want people coming after you because you downvoted them? There are crazy ass people out there, and if you ever get doxxed it could be a problem.
Maybe that last point is hyperbole, but crazy people are gonna do crazy things.
Looks like the enshittification is about to get even worse than it was. Perhaps we might see another exodus to lemmy/kbin once this happens?