Sorry, let me rephrase: you can claim moral superiority all you want, but that doesn’t mean you can walk into their space and do whatever you want. Like it or not, is it their community.

What a champ.

Remember, it’s only leftist to allow Eastern empires to rule people through show of force. Wanting no show of force, economic or otherwise, is “centrist” or, heaven forbid “liberal.”

To be fair, with the goals of that community being what it is, I fundamentally agree. I’m not one to sit idly by while people spread lies and misinformation. I’m honestly shocked it took them as long as it did to ban me. It’s hilarious that they hit me on such an innoculous offense, though. I actually once just straight called out Yogthos as being a Chinese-bought plant, totally ignorant to their role in .ml, or the fact that most people there tend to agree with their bias’. I figured that’s a far worse “rule 1” than this.

I don’t see any evidence of that

That’s why I asked what you meant rather than making assumptions about your intentions. But you even attempted to mock me for that.

I don’t need to continue to suffer your unwarranted insults and assumptions. I used my bias to make a statement about my own lived experience without insulting anyone, nor using it as irrefutable evidence of anything. You’re using yours to group anyone who disagrees with you together, insult their character and claim intellectual superiority. Go fuck yourself.

Rule 1 bayybeeeee!

I’m curious about the context of the curry comment, though. I love curry, but there’s no denying that many of my plastic containers are dyed yellow from holding and heating up curry. Are the loose connections between curry being an Eastern food, Chinese people being called “yellow” as an insult, and many curry dishes leaving yellow stains behind inherently racist?

Good. Now do the same to the major triple A studios attaching loot boxes to every sports game and battle royale. Why the fuck start with Mihoyo?

Honestly, I prefer that to the mods making up some bullshit. If they want to have their community free from Liberal views, they’re welcome to do so.

I suppose it sucks to hear “we made our community for people who disagree with you and don’t want to deal with your perspective,” but that is entirely their choice. You don’t get to claim moral superiority and do whatever you want regardless.

I’m here in Meanwhileongrad to have a laugh pointing out hypocrisy. There’s nothing hypocritical about “you are not welcome here for reasons we agreed upon and freely shared. Go away.”

You don’t see the irony in starting from the perspective that the poster (me, btw? Not sure how you missed that) is the one dug into his own views, despite a complete lack of information about what the arguments were, what the discussion was, or what “evidence” was being ignored? Don’t get me wrong, you’re correct in saying you shouldn’t take my opinion as universal truth and it was never stayed as such,bbut assuming the opposite is true is equally fallacious.

Your take on irony fell flat because it required a biased perspective to perceive as ironic. Considering this is an entire community built around shamelessly mocking that particular bias, you surely couldn’t have thought that readers would approach the discussion from the same perspective as you.

I believe that those particular Chinese students were, at least in the majority, failing to think critically about the discussion at hand. Perhaps the assumption that they failed to do so was a result of state brainwashing via propaganda was unfair, as I admitted in another post in this thread. To suggest that this means I assume all Chinese citizens are incapable of thinking for themselves, and that all Taiwanese people are free thinkers truly just shows that you started this conversation in bad faith. I initially attempted to assume as little about your intentions as possible and appreciate your comments for what they were, as misplaced as they seemed. It’s unfortunate that in this case, I was clearly feeding a troll.

It’s not that I needed more historical context to make sense of the information you’re providing. The history lesson makes sense. It’s that you never drew any conclusion, nor connected it to the original post. Your post was heavy on insinuation, but void of clear meaning, leaving readers to draw their own conclusions on your intent. The only methods to “fill in variables” here are to make assumptions, possibly with the extra context of your post history, or politely ask your intent. I chose the latter. Though I still have to derive your intent from your post to be that I used the word incorrectly, as you’ve again neglected to actually say what you mean.

“Brainwash” is used to refer to exactly the condition I was referencing: being led to believe falsehoods completely and wholly, through the control of information and repetition of said falsehoods. Its original popuparization in anti-Russian, American political discourse is completely irrelevent to the message the word effectively communicated to those who read my post.

Language changes, and it’s the current interpretation of it that gives it meaning. Hilariously, you used the word “propaganda” to refer to falsehoods used to dismiss outside views; the word propaganda simply means information with political intent and its relation to falsehoods was a result of the Third Reich. The Ministry of Propaganda and Public Enlightenment, founded by Joeseph Goebbels, became famous for its spread of intentionally misleading propaganda, and popularized the connection of the word to lies and falsehoods. So should I suggest then that your use of the word is incorrect, as you’ve removed it from its context and used it to convey negative connotations that it didn’t originally hold?

Again, I genuinely do appreciate the history lesson. The intersection between words and their historical context is exactly in my professional field and I find it to be a fascinating topic. But if the intent was to attack the quality or authenticity of my post through semantic analysis via historical meaning, I think there are better ways we can both spend our time.

1. Be civil and nice.

This is the specific rule as it is written in the sidebar.

Which is funny, because if you go back through my comments in that same thread, I had far more uncivil and mean comments elsewhere. But the one that got removed and banned is the one that speaks to lived experiences with Chinese (and American) nationalism in a fair and reasoned way? I was unsurprised when I discovered I had a ban. I was grinning like an idiot when I saw what post did it.

That’s very interesting, and I genuinely do appreciate the history lesson, but what exactly are you trying to communicate? That brainwashing is only possible in North America because that’s the population it was coined for? That the act only constitutes brainwashing if it’s coupled with calls for violence? That brainwashing is a strictly government term and using it colloquially has no meaning? That I should fully detail every term with a unique historical significant etymology?

There’s a lot of weird insinuations and half takes that don’t add up to a complete idea in this post.

You know, I’ve said far more rude and direct things. I’ve straight called people tankies, verbalized that they’re being dishonest, and actively told them to go fuck themselves for the way they treat others in similiar Yog threads of memes .ml. But the (paraphrased) “fuck you, you’re a dishonest shill and engaging with your backwards pseudo-intellectualism is a waste of everyone’s time” is far less rude than “I have lived experiences with Chinese nationalism justifying crimes against sovereign nations”?

It’s almost like the ban is a whole lot less about how I said things and the way I’ve treated people, and a whole lot more focused on what I said.

Edit: Btw, those Chinese students aren’t necessary “brainwashed”.

Valid, and perhaps the “brainwashed” statement was an unfair one, though in at least a couple cases, the emotion behind the words felt very genuine. On the flip side, there was at least one standout conversation with a particular student where the opposite was true, so perhaps each case deserves more nuance than the blanket statement of “they’re brainwashed.”

EDIT: That ban is actually beautiful, btw. The hate the “regulars” perpetuate while going untouched versus bans on comments like this speaks far louder about the belief structure of the mods than any back and fourth with them could.

Removed by mod

This is so much more reason that these tankies deserve tbh. I appreciate you taking the time to put it into words.

These people should actually try talking to foreigners, students and immigrants. The picture Ukrainian refugees and Taiwanese students paint is a lot less forgiving than the completely unsubstantiated, pseudo-intellectuslist “but that’s CIA propaganda” arguments these authoritarian “leftists” like to throw around. I’m sure such first-hand accounts would be as readily dismissed, mind you, because the goal is clearly not to have an honest discussion to begin with.

What conclusion are you proposing that I came to? My only statement was that denying Western media in favor of Eastern media is not “leftist.” Everything else you and Deadlines have attempted to drag into this discussion is creating either a false dichotomy or a strawman, in some cases both. The options are not “either you listen to PoC or you listen to Western Media,” because not all Western Media nor people of colour agree on every position. Whatever imaginary propaganda you are creating about the State suggesting that China is torturing minorities this minute is not something I have experienced, nor referenced. We have not presented the arguments that you are trying to deconstruct.

You are boxing with shadows, throwing fists with invisible monsters in the dark. I’m not sure if it’s our of poor reading comprehension, poor critical thinking skills, or intentional dishonesty, but there’s clearly a bias here that is useless to engage with.

Because they don’t support communism. They just like one version of ogliarchy better than the other.

No one said I do.

So instead, we should trust… The other ogliarchic and blatantly fascist empires?

Call me crazy, but I don’t think unapologetic fascism is “leftist.”

Either that or engaging with such incredible lies is a waste of time. But hey, they said something you don’t like, so “red lib.”