1000% Not weird at all. The ones judging you for it are the weird ones. Love kicking back and listening to good music. I’m actually laying back on the couch right now after a tiring day and the only reason I’m on Lemmy right now is because I didn’t have my headphones.

Together would be one hell of a trip. Probably wouldn’t even have to leave the tarmac.

The fuck?

I’ll keep that in mind as well. Thanks!

There have always been problems, I will never deny that.

Along with that bad and awful shit, there have also been good things too. We live in a world filled with nuance, very few things in it get to be all good or all bad. Pretending otherwise is what breeds the kind of mindsets behind our worst failings as humans. And I hold the opinion that online social media tends to balloon this issue but that’s a drawn out discussion I don’t feel like diving into at the moment.

I will never blindly defend something as we can always learn something new. Case in point, I’m here trying to understand the positions that have a disgust for liberalism and I’m finding great points. Those conversations require some back and forth, but even in that back and forth an open mind can learn new things and change their opinion. My opinion is certainly changing through these conversations at least.

It’s easy to hate the US if you only look at the bad. There are many unforgivable atrocities. Slavery arguably topping that list.

That’s a fair point. Thanks for talking back and forth with me on this. I’m really wanting to understand some of these things better as I’m realizing how deficient I am in my political understanding. So I really appreciate you taking this in the good spirit/faith I’m trying to use, and talking openly and accepting my questions less as pushing back and more as probing to better understand. Have a great day!

Thanks for your reply, all the comments here have been helpful in understanding this a little better, but I appreciate that clear analogy. That’ll help me explain to others as well.

I’m not married to any one philosophy of politics or economic theory, I can see the things that don’t work so I like seeing and pressing on some things I’m less familiar with so I can understand them better. I think the ideas in many ideologies are well intentioned, and each style has a potential benefit. Just trying to better see where and how precisely what have today went off the rails. Thanks again. 🙂

But if they aren’t even following the principles of the ideology can we still say that’s what they are? Not trying to refute anything you are saying, just trying to understand it better.

I don’t quite understand how it’s supporting capitalism. It seems like you could have one without the other no? I can see how it’s been abused here in the US but not sure why that means it will necessarily follow that pattern.

Those issues don’t really align with the concepts I’m reading about it though. It seems more that the term has been co-opted to try to cover more insidious ideologies. There’s a problem either way, it just seems that it’s whatever this new thing is called and not the liberalism as defined on paper that’s being used as a mask.

What I’m gathering from the comments on here is less that liberalism as a concept or ideal is the issue, it’s that it’s been used as a label of ideals that are it’s exact antithesis in support of the rich fucks driving the world into the ground. And as you said, the people supporting them thinking those things are liberalism when they are not. Am I following you correctly? Thanks for the reply. I’m still early in understanding some of this. Wasn’t long ago I found that “liberal” and “leftist” as used by right wing people in the US was co-opted into a whole different meaning than their actual definitions

I’m certainly not trying to dismiss or hand wave away anything. I just don’t understand the hate of liberalism when the defined characteristics seem desirable. I fully recognize that the US no longer embodies those ideals despite the desire of many to see them in place. It seems through the comments on here that the issue is less with the ideals of liberalism and more to do with neo liberalism and the run away capitalism and unchecked wealth built on the backs of others. Am I following that correctly? Thanks for your reply, I appreciate your perspective on this.

Looking at Wikipedia, Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property, and equality before the law.

Those don’t seem like bad concepts. I can’t see how consent of the governed, political equality, equality before law, individual rights, and liberty are bad when applied to individuals.

I can definitely see it’s failings in the economic realms, but what do you see wrong with them as applied on a personal level?

Whoops. It was so garbage I misattributed it to molyneux in my head.

Seriously, I figured that Spore Godus would be the last time he’d have a moderately successful grift.

If that’s too high a bar, then robotaxis are not viable.

No more than 10 years either direction. Would probably try to stay closer to 5 though. But really depends on their personality and their intelligence. I can’t date someone that can’t have an intelligent conversation or honestly believes easily disproven shit.

Oh helllll to the nawh nawh nawh

They really are. It’s awful being treated like a disposable piece that can be jettisoned without any further thought. That really sucks for your friend, I’ve been through that too. It was only a standard two week notice but it still was awful.

What career are you moving to if you don’t mind me asking? Feel free to DM if you’d rather keep it off the public but don’t mind otherwise.

So many. I can’t think of them all but many 90s and 00s songs. Basically while I was dependent on radio for music.

The latest that I can think of, I hadn’t heard in maybe 15-20 years. But I was sent a link to a cover of it. I had to turn that off within 30 seconds. I think it’s forever burnt out for me and I never want to hear it again. Sixpence None the Richer - Kiss me.