They just like the sunlight because it’s warm

I mean…I get the message, but isn’t there…like some super heavy antisemitic shit going on with the depiction of both the Jewish people’s facial features?

I dunno man. I think it’s much more likely we are seeing the product of the bots. You can’t expect every single site with comments to have propaganda bots. It takes a much smaller number of bots of bots to affect a much larger number of people. Someone has to program and deploy bots to places, the bots can’t just show up anywhere and everywhere there is political conversation

See, sometimes the best scientist needs to ask the simplest questions no one thought to ask.

Here is your Nobel Prize

Do you guys think lemmy is a valuable enough target to deploy bot propaganda accounts? I’m not sure I think so.

Neck massager

But they’re not throwing support behind it. That’s exactly my point.

The option they were given was either “vote for this or do nothing.” Yes, the doing nothing option meant it was more likely a worse scenario would take root.

But no matter what, we were being asked to vote for genocide. Genocide 1.0 or genocide 2.0. That cannot be on the people who don’t want it in the first place.

I definitely get what you’re saying and I agree. The 2.0 option was best avoided. But if that means supporting the 1.0 devs…? It goes completely against peoples moral fabric to support it. Even if that means things could get “worse.” Which, let it not be forgotten that we are still talking about an ongoing genocide.

Not to mention, Kamala’s weak, ineffectual waffling on the issue was still her in campaign mode. That’s best case scenario, and still highly unlikely to be followed through on.

It was a no-win scenario. But we all lost even worse, and everyone understands that. But it was a completely hopeless, no-win quandary.

Hah please do!

Think of voting this way:

Signing your name to a candidate/psrty and what they’ve done/signaled they will do.

A lot of people can’t stomach a candidate who has been courting the neocons and softening their previous mildly progressive stances from the last time dems had a primary and the progressives were showing up in numbers. Everyone got in line and the debates were about M4A, erasing federally held student debt, raising the minimum wage, etc. Sanders single handedly dragged the party to the center (technically more “left” than they were) in 2016/2020 and the dems responded by po’mouthing like they cared about those issues, but then circled the wagons and kicked those voters to the curb.

The party has shown over and over again that they don’t give a shit about working class people, those of us that want real change. They want to maintain the status quo. Which is progressively more hostile capitalism.

Signing your name to that constant move rightward is unthinkable for some. And understandably so.

And that’s before we even discuss the ongoing genocide in Gaza funded and armed by the US. While this administrations representatives in the UN and in any official capacity constantly run defense for the genocide.

Plenty of people could not fathom putting their name on that tragedy.

None of this means that republicans aren’t fuckin neofascist shits. But…how many times have the voters left of the dems been told to eat shit and vote blue because the other guy is worse? WHILE CONSTANTLY COURTING THE RIGHTWING VOTERS WHO MAY HAVE FINALLY GOTTEN SICK OF IT?! Kamala literally said she would be different from Biden by having a Republican in her cabinet. WHAT.

With everything going on, this party said, “yeah, fuck all that. Let’s see if we can grab anyone to the right of us.”

I got sidetracked, but this is the thing. It’s not binary, because geopolitics isn’t binary. The worlds issues aren’t binary. But a binary choice is all we’re given to make.

Just…what. And neither of those two choices was actually going to solve the problems. One was maintaining the problems while one was the problems plus more problems. That’s not an attractive choice.

We all get that trump is much worse. But everyone else needs to understand how sickening that shitty choice was for anyone with a conscience about what’s going on in Gaza, what’s going on with their neighbors. Signing on for more of the same was completely unthinkable for some. That has to be understandable if we are ever going to change things.

We’ve been on the road we’re being forced down now as long as I’ve been around. And the road just keeps going forward. The dems’ proposal is “maintain the course.” The republicans’ was “mash the gas.”

Some people couldn’t stomach going any further down this road. That’s not making a choice to mash the gas. Because the world is not binary.

But you and everyone else posing similar questions is saying “how could you vote for mashing the gas by not wanting to continue down this road?? :(“

Hey! Don’t forget that it also alienated anyone who is even moderately humanist!

Here’s how I put it elsewhere in this thread:

You have two choices, one is to poison a town’s water supply without telling them.

The other choice is poisoning the town’s water supply, not telling them, and then shooting the survivors as they flee the town.

No question that slaughtering fleeing survivors is worse. But either way, you’re being asked to sign your name to poisoning innocent people.

You can only see “you’re voting for slaughtering fleeing townspeople!” But plenty of people cannot stomach voting for poisoning the townspeople in the first place.

You’re both looking at the same situation but seeing different elements.

The nuance comes in here: both are valid stances to take. If you don’t vote “against” shooting the survivors, there’s a greater chance survivors will be shot. But voting for the people poisoning the water supply is untenable for many, and not understanding why that is, is a huge problem.

Because, like I said, it suddenly became “the most important issue” and she was courting the “centrist swing voter” that doesn’t exist anymore. And we all saw, republicans voted almost exactly the same way they did in 2020, but a bunch of dems stayed home. She sold out anyone left of Bush Jr. and then surprise pikachu’d when no one fuckin voted for her.

This attitude is generally insane.

“I don’t hate racists, I hate people who hate genocide so much they can’t stomach voting for it.”

Look, I voted for Harris, but it wasn’t easy. Because that blood is on this administrations hands. The party is moving further and further away from my ideals every election. Because they keep moving right. On immigration, tax breaks, health care, foreign policy. She was courting the fuckin neocons!!!

I understand how frustrating it is, because you’re right—not allowing trump to win is better than allowing him. But it’s not so straightforward when your vote is support for something you can’t stomach. Can you understand how that is difficult for people? I sure can. But I also understand how many people stand to get hurt under an authoritarian regime, so i sacrificed my morals again to do what I can to somewhat stem the bleeding.

But that’s not an easy decision to make. Much harder than, say, blaming the racists for racism, and not the people who are anti-racist.

Why? Because the right was harping on it. So the news covers it. And then “people are talking about it.” And in 2024, that means everyone has to have an opinion it. The right has perfected the weaponization of communication. Fascists are good at that, historically.

You got your Among Us in my pizza!

You got your pizza all over my Among Us!

Wait a second…

Well I voted the Wicconana party. That’s like putting the women from The Craft in office, right?

Yeah, the crip walk and then the “blood” sign with their hands. Both.

Are you all too young to remember this already being a thing middle class white kids were already doing a couple decades ago?

I mean, yeah, their attitude is shitty.

But at the same time, even their lavish, wasteful lifestyle is peanuts compared to the true perpetrators. This isn’t on us to solve. Because it’s not us that caused it. It’s the goddamn fossil fuel companies and every capitalist that sold out any part of the environment for profit. And then dropped tons of that wealth to create a culture war, casting doubt on whether or not fuckin climate change is real.

And these are the fruits of their labors. Not some middle class family who happens to be wasteful and selfish themselves.

Right? And because they speak French (though they could be Canadian, right…? Or any of the French colonies?), suddenly everything that’s happened to France/in France they must be on board with?