It’s also a well-worn fascist tactic: completely bald-faced lying in the face of undeniable truth. It’s just double speak on a toddlers level. But it’s frustrating as fuck because it works—and it works because we have a media ecosystem in this country that thrives on a bias toward “fairness” over a bias toward telling the truth as we can all plainly see it.

“Say all house republicans came to the floor tomorrow saying they believe the earth is flat. The Times would lead with “democrats and republicans can’t agree on shape of earth.”

The numbers seem to tell a different story, actually. Mind you, this is one poll and it’s among people who did not vote giving a reason for not voting after having not voted, but the numbers aren’t insignificant

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/kamala-harris-gaza-israel-biden-election-poll?r=2y9nd&showWelcomeOnShare=false

You’ve clearly never met any queer folks who do meth.

Rude.

Well hey. When you have corporate money flowing into your pockets, it’s easy to change your mind (if you’re a disgusting vile piece of human trash). My curiosity lies in his newfound enablers (Elon, Zucker-borg) having spent insane amounts of money lobbying for the ban.

It would be funny if not nice to see those relationships fall apart because their affection was outbid by a larger dollar amount of affection.

I don’t understand this sentence. The two words I don’t know in this context are “gore” and “matrix”

Not trying to get into a whole ugly thing, just curious what your pro-capitalism stance is. Because I would definitely fall into this big Lemmy category of seeing 90-905% of modern problems being rooted in capitalism. So I would (civilly!) disagree, no doubt. Doesn’t mean we can’t have a reasonable discussion!

Eh. Then you’re bringing in the whole “discuss your differences with a nazi” thing. And that’s never good ground to be on. If their brain is already broke, one more punch to the head ain’t gonna make much of a difference.

But seriously. Nazis are nazis. And it’s clear these guys were having a discussion. I trust this good Samaritan’s judgement in dispatching the Insecticide.

You made me laugh right as the poop was comin out

Think about it another way.

“It’s alright to call him the N-word because he doesn’t care about the right wing using it as a weapon.”

It’s not okay. It’s immoral. There are other morally gray methods, as we’ve seen in recent months, that are tools to use against oppressors and the capitalist class. Food for thought.

The thing is, universal action like this, even on a fraction of the scale necessary to make a dent and ultimately change things, just doesn’t work because people will always bow to capitalism. They’ll kick the dirt and grumble under their breath as they pull out their wallets.

I know you’re saying just wait until it’s on sale, but the power of “keeping up with the joneses” is unfortunately a tried a true way of capitalism. When people are talking about the game in the first weeks and posting memes and making in-jokes, people that were trying to hold out will cave like a poorly managed mining operation.

While there’s no clear evidence of plans to attack NATO, Russia is creating the conditions for it.

This is also a very telling sentence.

“There’s not evidence this is even on their minds or that they would ever attempt such a monumentally stupid move, buuut…just use your 🌈 imagination 💫”

Wait…you know more lines to that song that I honestly ever remembered hearing.

Nope. One of the most horrifying stories ever meme.

It’s not just “not healthy.” It’s fuckin animal abuse.

So you’re pointing to exactly what I said was the absolute user end result of the American conditioning system and saying it’s the conditioning itself. Americans are racist by socialization. But it takes a personal effort to make sure you see past that and overcome that racist socialization. That’s not the conditioning itself.

And I brought up Russia because they’re the “axis” sister superpower to china. I brought it up to make the comparison because in the US, the conditioning is very much that those two superpowers are the “other side” to the US/EU. The spirit of the antagonistic conditioning against those two countries is incredibly similar.

Again, what I think you’re doing is confusing the end result with the conditioning. In the great pyramid of US messaging, we see the exhaust. The conditioning is going on in the fuel injector. Alllll of those twists and turns and mechanisms means that messaging is funneled through so many different hands and rich people with their own motives before we really get a chance to experience it. To confuse what we see on a day to day basis, especially today in our social media age, with US conditioning is a very misinformed way of seeing it, I think. All of the echoes of that conditioning are altered and ricocheted by every person they pass through. Our daily experience is all happening after the exhaust has been expelled. And you’re attributing it all to the US messaging as if we experience top-down, highly controlled, streamlined communications. We just don’t. No matter what the hyperbole says, we don’t have state run media (China does, though. Russia does, though.)

Are we experiencing the greatest propaganda machine ever invented? Probably sounds crazy for me to say after everything I’ve just laid out, but yes, we are. However, the media just doesn’t work like you’re making it out to work. I don’t mean any slight against you, but it’s a really immature way of thinking about the world around you. I’m sorry if that seems like a pointed remark, I didn’t mean for it to. It’s the most common type of thinking—and I mean it’s the first step in starting to question the world around you as it’s fed to you. Which is great to do, but there’s a lot of work to do after that. And—again, no offense—communism tends to be that first step too. A lot of us took those steps when we were first getting our feet wet in the greater world around us at like 13, whereas many others take it much, much later. And in the US, that “much much later” came for a big number of people at however old people were around 2016.

It was.

That’s wholly mischaracterizing the discussion.

“Half is X.”

Based on what?

“How dare you be so hateful!”

It’s a ridiculous argument. Throwing “transphobe” onto things that just happen to pertain to transgendered people, regardless of what’s actually being discussed, hurts the community way more than saying a claimed percentage is probably inaccurate. Way more.

This is the Israeli defense: anything that they don’t want to hear, they call antisemitic. Because it’s easier than having an argument and immediately puts the accused on their back foot.

But, and I’m sure you’ll agree with me here, that tactic ends up hurting Semitic people way more than whatever was being dismissed by Israel. That attitude is far more harmful to the conversation than engaging with the factual basis of the conversation.

Does changing the framing in that way help you see what I’m saying?

Fuck transphobia. I want the trans community to flourish and to be happy and free. But throwing the entire community in front of yourself in a personal argument in order to use “you’re transphobic” as a cudgel in a convo that otherwise isn’t about the actual trans community hurts the whole community way, way more. Because idiots will use that kind of shit as an excuse to hate the whole community—it’s basically asking for generalizing because you introduced the concept into the conversation. Just like idiots on the left have taken to antisemitism in a misconceived attempt at defending the Palestinian people, idiots will absolutely pick up the ball of likening an individual to the whole trans community.

I’m not your enemy here. I’m arguing for the trans community. We are having a difference of understanding but we both think we’re arguing for the same side. See what I’m trying to say?

There is a reason: it’s that those numbers are highly improbable. That’s a very good reason to say “I don’t think you can back up your claim.” The burden of proof isn’t on the person saying they don’t think the number is realistic, it’s on the person who pulled a percentage out of their ass lol

That’s my first and overarching point. My secondary point is that this is a falsely touchy topic. It’s not actually touchy, but because a particular embattled group is the subject being counted, it suddenly becomes perceived as caustic. Exactly as we’re seeing with you, right now. You’re perceiving a greater injustice than what the actual situation is exhibiting.

No one is calling into question the existence and plight of trans people. It’s just that you can’t pull a number out of your ass. Just because the number is counting an oppressed minority, suddenly people will falsely jump to say, “HEY!” Even though it’s not warranted. If the number we’re counting anything else, they wouldn’t be coming for the existence X, Y, or Z. If the person said “I have 2,000 carrots at my house” and another said, “that’s highly unlikely,” that person wouldn’t have anything against carrots. See what I’m saying,

There is no one coming after trans people. This person is coming at another person for making up a number. Simple as.

Third, actually, the original person is standing up for trans people because the hexbear user is throwing trans people in front of the actual subject of the attack: hexbear users. So you’re def angry at the wrong person.

That’s just them saying that the count is off. Theyre not calling anyone not trans. If I did a survey and the results were faulty about the amount of Black people, would it be racist to say the numbers seem off? About 0.5-1.6% of people in the US identify as trans. It would be quite a feat if half of their users were trans, when the unifying ideology is communism. Of course there are more trans people with leftist views, but what percentage of leftists are trans? We don’t have that number, but the chances of it equaling out to half of any user base that isn’t specifically trans-oriented are slim.

If they were to say “50% Of our user base has blue eyes,” it wouldn’t be hateful of blue eyed people to say that number is incorrect. It’s not about he identity of the unifying quality, it’s literally just about the claim that the number is way higher than it realistically is. You’re equating the hateful desire to erase trans people with simply saying “I don’t think the numbers can be that high.” Because it’s a touchy subject. But calling into question the probability isn’t hateful. Just math.

https://sccei.fsi.stanford.edu/china-briefs/rise-wealth-private-property-and-income-inequality-china