Gotcha, from the US. The Greens don’t spend money trying to fight against Dem party narratives (Russia/Republican funded and spoiler) that Dem voters hear because it’s mostly a lost cause. We try to target working people that don’t vote
Clearly old enough to vote
Are you even from the US to make any kind of knowledgeable comment on our politics? Look at my account
I ask because we don’t call our news the post.
The literal post we’re commenting on.
Also you clearly didn’t know of what you speak considering what happened last time people tried to really a third party vote here.
We’re not even taking votes from Dems, going for non-voters.
No, that’s when you vote for things you don’t agree with.
My ‘dem shilling’ is based on cold hard facts.
Where? You’ve presented nothing.
I have thrown away votes on Jill Stein before. Rally support for third parties in local elections till the cows come home. Please! But if you think Jill Stein has any chance of accomplishing anything aside from splitting the left in this or any election you are delusional.
Then what? You’re too lazy to make change, you just vote and do nothing. I am making change in my community, what are you doing?
And personally Jill is the Hilary of the Greens. They can do better.
Then run for the candidacy. Green party is democratic unlike the “Dem” side of capitalism you want to vote for and she was the most popular candidate by far.
We need to grow the party. You just voted and sat around watching our planet be destroyed, we have to do more.
I don’t see how voting for what the post shows helps. That’s what you’re doing with a vote for Trump or Biden. We need to grow the Green party fast, no time left for your Dem shilling.
Vote for Jill Stein and support the Green party in any way you can.
Voting for either major party is an endorsement of the FPTP voting system, pledging you will not make it change. That’s a disastrous choice.
Jill Stein will be on most ballots
The truth hurts
I’d rather live in the current corporate run dystopia than an outright fascist version called Gilead.
This you? You did say it yourself.
nah. my vote doesn’t mean that. what a very dumb thing to say, traitor.
It literally does whether you want to accept it or not. We provide money and weapons to bomb children, you vote in support of the president doing this.
lol. you’re fucking delusional, traitor.
The only traitor here is you voting for corporate fascism, willfully voting in support of the rich.
The rich have you figured out and are playing you like a fiddle.
What do you not understand here?
Voting isn’t magic, stop treating it like so.
It’s incredibly simple. You do not understand even the basic definition of democracy.
It objectively is:
Not if you vote for them and gather support instead of whining like a baby.
No they cannot. The spoiler effect is an inherent problem to our electoral system. You cannot just magic away systemic problems.
Then change it, get over yourself. I am helping fix this problem by voting against it, you are not, very simple.
What of it? They asked for an elephant in a closet
You straight up called me a dumbass because I disagreed with you.
You said that yourself.
Yeah, get the fuck out of here. /u/LengAwaits is right, if this is what the green party stands for, fuck off.
Don’t want your help, targeting non voters not brainwashed liberals.
Belittling people is rarely a good dialectical tactic, and speaks to your own level of maturity.
Only in response to their claims, I am not “belittling” them, they made those statements themselves that they consent to “corporate facism”, I do not.
If this is the type of discourse employed by green party supporters and campaign volunteers, I’ll be staying away.
That’s fine, I’m targeting non-voters.
Based on what I’ve seen of your post history here, you’re a combative ideologue who’s not interested in building anything other than ill-will, with seemingly zero desire to talk about anything that doesn’t give you an opportunity to aggressively proselytize.
That is necessary considering how heavy handed pro-capitalist propaganda is. What would you like to discuss?
You seem to turn every conversation you have into an abrasive display of your moral superiority, repeating the same talking points ad nauseum while abandoning any points that shift out of your favor.
The truth is hard to accept, and I am not ashamed of being against fascist corporate control of our economy, regardless of how hard you try to make me conceed that. Now provide an example of me abandoing any point that has been “out of my favor”.
Perhaps you hope that you can activate non-voters with your accusatory, venomous, divisive rhetoric, but I struggle to see how that strategy will be beneficial should a Green candidate make it to the Presidency.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/07/12/voter-turnout-2018-2022/ There is plenty, in fact it is often a majority.
Coalition building with the Democratic party will absolutely be necessary to get Green legislation through congress early on; It seems short-sighted to belittle and alienate those who vote closest to your interests on the political spectrum by equating them with those who vote furthest from your interests. Ideals are important, but game theory underpins all political action and must be considered.
The Democratic party will not be there to offer a coalition. They spend millions trying to prevent Greens from even being on the ballot. Your “game theory” is wrong considering you used nonfactual inputs. The only path towards progress is rejecting all pro-capitalist actors, which will more than make up for it with support from the poor working class.
Further, RCV does not require the Green party to be implemented. Many states have been experimenting with RCV (and other alternative voting systems) without leadership from the Green party (source). That trend has been picking up steam across the nation.
Gaslighting at it finest, I never claimed the Green party was necessary for RCV to be implemented, only the Democrats will fight against it since it hurts their chances against third parties. The trend has been by ballot initiatives, not Democratic legislation.
Voting for a politician is not an open agreement with every action they take. I didn’t vote for billions to go to war manufacturers.
You literally did, and are planning to in November.
I voted against Trump.
Same here, by voting for the green party.
Thus splitting the vote and landing us in Gilead, no thanks. I don’t want to get killed by the state for being LGBTQ+
Nope. Most green voters I’ve convinced have been non-voters. They are the biggest voting block.
That’s kind of a big point of being in a democratic society - we are all, every one of us, responsible for the actions of our government.
They just described why I vote green party.
And if you don’t like that responsibility, I get it, I totally sympathize, because I agree. I hate that responsibility, especially cause I know damn well I’m not qualified to make those decisions. But I still am responsible, and pretending I’m not doesn’t change that.
Yes, that’s why we’re responsible for building a better party, very simple to understand.
So bullshit. I’m assuming you voted 3rd party in 2016. You chose to vote in a way that had no chance of having any effect to stave off Trump. So you are complicit in Trump. You consented to Trump. And thanks to people like you, we are now losing abortion access. The SCOTUS is now openly debating if a president can have political opponents killed. The road of fascism we are heading down is directly a result of people limply throwing pissing their vote into the wind.
I’m proud I did not consent to Trump or Clinton in 2016, you did. Green have a chance because Dems and Republicans are terrible. You’re just a scared, disenfranchised little child that can’t make your own decisions. I am responsible for improving my government, which is why I’m building a better option in the Green party. You do nothing but whine and submit to fascism, pathetic.
They are openly debating if the president can have political opponents killed. Quit living under a rock.
Hilarious. The rich have you figured out and are playing you like a fiddle.
No shit.
But I am not an imbecile who thinks they can magic away the spoiler effect. That’s you.
The literal only way is voting, it’s so simple it’s hilarious.
Voting third party is equal to choosing the second option.
Nope.
Get a grip. You’ve done no better to get RCV implemented. Your votes get you nothing, because you vote for candidates that mathematically cannot win thanks to the inherent biases of FPTP voting.
LOL so people who had power and proved to you they will do nothing to get RCV passed. Greens can mathematically win, you just vote for them.
And RCV isn’t even that good of an option. STAR and approval are superior.
Yes the Dems will surely do this for you LOL
ty to make a sensible sentence.
Says the person who makes this statement without providing any sources.