• Tavarin@lemmy.ca
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    1 year ago

    Okay, and what does that have to do with fact China and the USSR aren’t/weren’t communist being convenient?

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      I just think it’s convenient that communism gets to live in this little “no true scotsman/communism” bubble where if a state adopts communism and fails, it immedietly gets labeled as “not a real communist” state.

      That way, instead of looking if there’s something wrong with communism itself, it can get written off as the fault of the state attempting it.

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        It’s not really convenient. It’s that communism is an ideal that’s literally impossible for large groups of humans to obtain.

        There has never been a communist state because there can’t be with people involved.

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        1 year ago

        state adopts communism

        But no state has actually adopted communism. Communism as a basis of an economy requires communal ownership of all goods; not state ownership, but communal. Which country has ever done that?

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          The state can also control everything. In which case, China, Vietnam and Cuba.

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                No it cannot, that’s not communism. China is as communist as North Korea is democratic. Just because a country calls itself something does not make it that thing.

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                  Countries can have multiple different systems in place. China for example, is an authoritarian communist state.

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                    Communism by definition cannot be authoritarian. So no, China is not an authoritarian communist state, it’s just a an authoritarian state.

                    The only way for China to be communist is to give all people direct communal ownership of goods and services.