I’m not convinced your concept of your concept of concentration sending people insane. There’s no evidence of that, unless you’d like to share some?
I think those groups (and the lawyers you mention) are made up of broard cross sections of the population. As with the general population, they include people who have empathy and compassion and people who don’t. Those with empathy and compassion try to benefit everyone, those without try to benefit themselves. Sadly engineers, scientists, artists and lawyers who only seek to benefit themselves will consider and act on developing unethical things (weapons, toxic materials, propaganda, defending people doing unethical things).
I think the people who control the world tend to be the people with power, a group also made up of people with/without empathy and compassion. The groups you list who do unethical things might be included in the group of those with power, but they might also just be benefiting themselves by helping those with power but without empathy and compassion. The control remains with those with power.
When you concentrate on a thing you ignore pretty much everything else. Do it enough and that ignoring becomes blindness. And habitual.
Now your world is just a sliver of what it once was. But you still call this sliver “the world”, of course. And upon this sliver is all your reasoning based.
That’s what I’m calling insanity.
Those who concentrate best tend to succeed in our society. They achieve the goals, climb the ladder, implement the truth. The rest of us are slackers comparatively.
They are the ones with the greatest power. These alpha concentrators. And they are the most visibly insane.
But even the moderate concentrators have great power. A million software engineers surely have a power equal to a single billionaire businessman.
One, I’m guessing English is not your first language so you may not be aware that ‘concentrate’ has a primary meaning of ‘thinking carefully’ while what you seem like you are describing is ‘specialization,’ meaning ‘studying narrowly, but deeply.’ You seem to be claiming that over-specialization (studying narrowly and deeply, to the exclusion of relevant information) is bad. They are related but subtly different and part of the negative response may be due to a linguistic barrier.
And two,
You still call this sliver “the world”… and on this sliver is all your reasoning based.
By this definition, everyone is insane. It is definitionally impossible for anyone to fully comprehend the totality of the world. Everyone is focused on their tiny slice. Even people who spread their awareness across many areas can’t comprehend all of it at once. You, yourself, are limited to the things you have had the chance to learn in your life. Everyone ‘concentrates’ their attention, or ‘specializes’ on certain subjects. Sometimes it is on the atomic structure of distant stars. Sometimes it is on the care of their loved ones. The limitation is universal, and not isolated to particular kinds of study.
I think I understand your meaning. However, if everyone is insane because they are blind to reality, does it matter that educated people are too? And if those who study deeply on something don’t actually shrink their baseline awareness, (learning mechanical engineering doesn’t make you less able to comprehend text, grow a garden, ride a bike, etc.) even if they only reduce their blindness in a narrow area, they are less blind/insane than the average person who is blind to most/all of the same things as the expert but also blind to the things the expert has studied.
Now, there is an effect where someone may see how much more sane the expert is and expect that the experts narrow knowledge will make them also saner in some other area where they are just as blind as anyone else. This is a big problem in our world because you get people who think they know how to run the world because they know how to write a few lines of code. The trick is, this is a blindness shared by almost all people, not just experts. The expert in chemistry isn’t more likely to mismanage a school than the average person, but both are more likely to fail than an expert in education.
Ok, I’m having a slow arvo so I’ll throw you a bone and try to explain what’s going on here.
Everything you’ve said here, you talk about as if it is a given that it’s true. e.g. “When you concentrate on a thing you ignore pretty much everything else. Do it enough and that ignoring becomes blindness. And habitual.”. The reason people are laughing at these claims is because its just provably false, at least as an ironclad rule. Most people know people or know of people that this just isn’t the case for. I personally know a bunch of scientists, artists and engineers who are highly successful at their job and also very well rounded people with a wide range of interests. Even if there was some general data on tendencies towards the kind of behaviour you claim, you don’t provide it.
So, the fact that your “unpopular opinion” is based on a fact that basically only you in the entire world believe to be true, means that everyone thinks your post here is nonsense, crazy, a very young child, or trolling. I assume you’ve had some experience with the kind of people you’re talking about, but even if every single person you ever met had this exact characteristic it would still be a hopelessly small sample size to make any claims about the population at large. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and you provide exactly zero proof for this extraordinary claim.
I think that you don’t notice the insanity because you share the insanity. It is normal to you and therefore not insane.
I think that concentration is inherently deranging but, again, normal in our society. Common and therefore invisible. (I am aware of its effects because it is something I study, unlike you and most others. Think of it as a kind of germ theory and I’m Pasteur)
I think that I am treated! this way because my opinion is offensive to these people. And that offense is a barrier to any further thought.
But I hope that, for some, a little offense isn’t such a barrier.
If people are insulting you its because you’re just being pretty obnoxious and childish. It’s easy to get annoyed by someone who is convinced that they are right and everybody else is wrong, especially when they are so obviously wrong.
I mean, I assume you’re a troll? I don’t get offended by trolls. But I engaged with you here on the off chance that you’re not, hoping that you might see some reason. But instead you’ve just doubled down on your own crazy ideas. Like, best of luck to you (if you are indeed genuine), you seem relatively harmless. Try and broaden your horizons, it’ll do you good.
Ok. Fair argument. But concentration is key to scientists, engineers etc. And they, as a population, do dictate the form of our culture to a great degree. And this power does not require great success.
How about my first point, the thing about the insanity, got anything to say about that?
I said I don’t think there’s any evidence of concentration leading to insanity in my first response. I also asked for evidence. For any great thinker you can point to who you think went insane, you could easily find another who didn’t. Anecdotal evidence doesn’t really cut it, so got any studies that show that intense study of a topic leads to insanity?
I have only my own study of the thing. And insanity is a very gooshy term after all. But if you examined concentration yourself you might come to a similar conclusion.
Consider the parts of my explanation. The fact that when you concentrate on one thing you ignore another. And then the habit and so on. Do any of these parts fit your own experience? Do any of them seem absurd?
It doesn’t fit my experience. I’m an engineer, I concentrated regularly in my studies and I concentrate regularly through my work, I don’t find its training me to ignore other aspects of the world or my life. I know lots of highly successful people, they tend to be more well rounded than not.
I wonder if maybe you are confusing concentration with hyperfixation?
I’m not convinced your concept of your concept of concentration sending people insane. There’s no evidence of that, unless you’d like to share some?
I think those groups (and the lawyers you mention) are made up of broard cross sections of the population. As with the general population, they include people who have empathy and compassion and people who don’t. Those with empathy and compassion try to benefit everyone, those without try to benefit themselves. Sadly engineers, scientists, artists and lawyers who only seek to benefit themselves will consider and act on developing unethical things (weapons, toxic materials, propaganda, defending people doing unethical things).
I think the people who control the world tend to be the people with power, a group also made up of people with/without empathy and compassion. The groups you list who do unethical things might be included in the group of those with power, but they might also just be benefiting themselves by helping those with power but without empathy and compassion. The control remains with those with power.
When you concentrate on a thing you ignore pretty much everything else. Do it enough and that ignoring becomes blindness. And habitual.
Now your world is just a sliver of what it once was. But you still call this sliver “the world”, of course. And upon this sliver is all your reasoning based.
That’s what I’m calling insanity.
Those who concentrate best tend to succeed in our society. They achieve the goals, climb the ladder, implement the truth. The rest of us are slackers comparatively.
They are the ones with the greatest power. These alpha concentrators. And they are the most visibly insane.
But even the moderate concentrators have great power. A million software engineers surely have a power equal to a single billionaire businessman.
Two things
One, I’m guessing English is not your first language so you may not be aware that ‘concentrate’ has a primary meaning of ‘thinking carefully’ while what you seem like you are describing is ‘specialization,’ meaning ‘studying narrowly, but deeply.’ You seem to be claiming that over-specialization (studying narrowly and deeply, to the exclusion of relevant information) is bad. They are related but subtly different and part of the negative response may be due to a linguistic barrier.
And two,
By this definition, everyone is insane. It is definitionally impossible for anyone to fully comprehend the totality of the world. Everyone is focused on their tiny slice. Even people who spread their awareness across many areas can’t comprehend all of it at once. You, yourself, are limited to the things you have had the chance to learn in your life. Everyone ‘concentrates’ their attention, or ‘specializes’ on certain subjects. Sometimes it is on the atomic structure of distant stars. Sometimes it is on the care of their loved ones. The limitation is universal, and not isolated to particular kinds of study.
I am describing the concentration of attention. Which includes a great ignoring. This is simple and obvious.
I am adding to that, habit. Unconscious action that is. Doing a thing while not aware that you’re doing it.
Which, when we put them together, gives us a kind of blindness.
If that blindness is unacknowledged then yes, that’s a kind if insanity. And it would follow that the more you concentrate the more insane you are.
If everybody does it (habitually concentrates) then yes, everybody is insane.
Is it necessary and unavoidable? I doubt it.
Am I being unclear here or just offensive?
I think I understand your meaning. However, if everyone is insane because they are blind to reality, does it matter that educated people are too? And if those who study deeply on something don’t actually shrink their baseline awareness, (learning mechanical engineering doesn’t make you less able to comprehend text, grow a garden, ride a bike, etc.) even if they only reduce their blindness in a narrow area, they are less blind/insane than the average person who is blind to most/all of the same things as the expert but also blind to the things the expert has studied.
Now, there is an effect where someone may see how much more sane the expert is and expect that the experts narrow knowledge will make them also saner in some other area where they are just as blind as anyone else. This is a big problem in our world because you get people who think they know how to run the world because they know how to write a few lines of code. The trick is, this is a blindness shared by almost all people, not just experts. The expert in chemistry isn’t more likely to mismanage a school than the average person, but both are more likely to fail than an expert in education.
Ok, I’m having a slow arvo so I’ll throw you a bone and try to explain what’s going on here.
Everything you’ve said here, you talk about as if it is a given that it’s true. e.g. “When you concentrate on a thing you ignore pretty much everything else. Do it enough and that ignoring becomes blindness. And habitual.”. The reason people are laughing at these claims is because its just provably false, at least as an ironclad rule. Most people know people or know of people that this just isn’t the case for. I personally know a bunch of scientists, artists and engineers who are highly successful at their job and also very well rounded people with a wide range of interests. Even if there was some general data on tendencies towards the kind of behaviour you claim, you don’t provide it.
So, the fact that your “unpopular opinion” is based on a fact that basically only you in the entire world believe to be true, means that everyone thinks your post here is nonsense, crazy, a very young child, or trolling. I assume you’ve had some experience with the kind of people you’re talking about, but even if every single person you ever met had this exact characteristic it would still be a hopelessly small sample size to make any claims about the population at large. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and you provide exactly zero proof for this extraordinary claim.
I think that you don’t notice the insanity because you share the insanity. It is normal to you and therefore not insane.
I think that concentration is inherently deranging but, again, normal in our society. Common and therefore invisible. (I am aware of its effects because it is something I study, unlike you and most others. Think of it as a kind of germ theory and I’m Pasteur)
I think that I am treated! this way because my opinion is offensive to these people. And that offense is a barrier to any further thought.
But I hope that, for some, a little offense isn’t such a barrier.
Nobody is taking you seriously enough to get offended.
You insulted me 3 times in your previous reply and once more just now. Most of the other replies have included an insult as well.
When you insult you do so because you are offended. This much is obvious.
So who are you fooling here?
If people are insulting you its because you’re just being pretty obnoxious and childish. It’s easy to get annoyed by someone who is convinced that they are right and everybody else is wrong, especially when they are so obviously wrong.
I mean, I assume you’re a troll? I don’t get offended by trolls. But I engaged with you here on the off chance that you’re not, hoping that you might see some reason. But instead you’ve just doubled down on your own crazy ideas. Like, best of luck to you (if you are indeed genuine), you seem relatively harmless. Try and broaden your horizons, it’ll do you good.
Right back at you.
I don’t think it’s true that those that concentrate best tend to succeed. Those with a leg up from their previous generation tend to succeed.
Ok. Fair argument. But concentration is key to scientists, engineers etc. And they, as a population, do dictate the form of our culture to a great degree. And this power does not require great success.
How about my first point, the thing about the insanity, got anything to say about that?
I said I don’t think there’s any evidence of concentration leading to insanity in my first response. I also asked for evidence. For any great thinker you can point to who you think went insane, you could easily find another who didn’t. Anecdotal evidence doesn’t really cut it, so got any studies that show that intense study of a topic leads to insanity?
I have only my own study of the thing. And insanity is a very gooshy term after all. But if you examined concentration yourself you might come to a similar conclusion.
Consider the parts of my explanation. The fact that when you concentrate on one thing you ignore another. And then the habit and so on. Do any of these parts fit your own experience? Do any of them seem absurd?
It doesn’t fit my experience. I’m an engineer, I concentrated regularly in my studies and I concentrate regularly through my work, I don’t find its training me to ignore other aspects of the world or my life. I know lots of highly successful people, they tend to be more well rounded than not.
I wonder if maybe you are confusing concentration with hyperfixation?
It’s hard to account for what you’re blind to. Because you’re blind to it. You could be blind to a hundred things and never know it
It’s more like there’s no actual evidence other than the anecdotal.