It’s literally tattooed on Hegseth. Are you at all surprised?
Adoption by white supremacists
Because of the connotations of the Jerusalem cross as a symbol of Christian invasion of Muslim lands, and of Christian evangelism, the symbol has gained popularity with white supremacists in recent years.
ok it’s whack to use religious symbols in military ads but just because it “gained popularity” with white supremacists doesn’t make it a white supremacist symbol.
Lol yeah just a run of the mill religious symbol…
You literally just said yourself that it was used while Christians genocided Muslims.
Even if it hadn’t been adopted by white supremacists (it has), it would still be abhorrent.
You know that the swastika was a Hindu symbol before the Nazis adopted it, right? Is the swastika not a Nazi symbol?
Even if it hadn’t been adopted by white supremacists (it has), it would still be abhorrent.
yes, it is abhorrent… it’s not, however, a white supremacist symbol.
“crusader” is a terrible term for the military to associate itself with… but definitely not as terrible as a white supremacist symbol.
white supremacists have also “adopted” wearing boots but i’m not going to call everyone wearing boots a white supremacist.So is the swastika a Nazi symbol or not?
well yes and no.
it was obviously their official symbol and on their flags, buttons, and everything else.
But it was also ripped off and meant different things to different cultures for thousands of years.
but to answer the loaded part of your question:
Some white supremacist’s use of the crusader cross is not at all like the nazi’s use of the swastikaOh, so how many need to use it until it does become a symbol of white supremacy?
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Yeah, I thought it might be something like that.
Well you’d at least need it to be tattooed onto the chest of the second in command of the worlds largest armed forces in the world, in a country that’s rapidly pivoted towards white Christian nationalism.
So it’s safe to say this isn’t about white supremacy.
where are you located? in my part of the world, in my corner of america, that is the white supremacist symbol. you don’t often see people with it, but when you do it is a tattoo or morale patch on someone wearing other hate symbols. i assumed it was widely understood to be a white supremacist symbol in any context aside from displaying pride in Georgian national identity, so i’m learning new things today.
i still think though we can safely assume that for the people putting out this propaganda that who they’re speaking to and for is racists
in America, that’s not a very common symbol…
we don’t actually see a lot of white supremacists on the street though (they would get murked)quite a few christian nationalists have adopted other crusader symbolism so i see it as a horrible, christian nationalist, invader/colonizer symbol… but i’ve never seen it associated with white supremacism…
my argument isn’t that it’s never used by white supremacists, it’s that it’s not an outright white supremacist symbol.
i’d call it a dog whistle, though.Bullshit.
lol
Oh shit! The Nazi army is doing Nazi shit? I’m not sure I buy it.
It’s the goddamn American Nazi symbol
The? As if there’s only one?
The same one on Hegseth’s boob?
The guys a giant boob. That doesn’t narrow it down.
Don’t worry, it’s a fucking huge tattoo, it’s hard to miss.
The irony of “Jerusalem” meaning “vision of peace”…
I think it is very weird to have that tattooed or on any military gear. Secularism and such, but that is the heraldry of the former Kingdom of Jerusalem. Albeit being the result of crusades, I don’t think it is supremacist by itself?
Edit: Also the flag of the country of Georgia. Going by this, the US military either serves in the Georgian army as of recent or they confused theirs with the country again?
Edit#2: Quick wikipedia, also apparently still the symbol of the Latin patriarchate of Jerusalem nowadays
“American citizens allow their military to use white supremacist Jerusalem cross on its propaganda”
oh no! i allowed them! it’s all my fault!
here let me just go stop the us military from running that twitter ad….
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well shit, turns out they’ll just arrest me for that or shoot me as soon as i get within a mile of wherever they’re tweeting from.Better just roll over and take it then, eh? Coward.
When has the American public, or any country, had any say regarding the uniform in the military? Go ahead, us cowards will wait.
Revolutionary France. Civilians used community policing (backed by the threat of force) to force changes to the army uniform. There were activists in revolutionary cities openly confronting troops, checking their uniforms, and in some cases escalating to violence if soldiers didn’t display rhe blue/white/red cockade. Thy distributed pamphlets persuading people that wearing the revolutionary colors was a shorthand for allyship and after not too long the army basically had to adopt it as official or expect their troops to be harassed at best or attacked in the street at worst (Schama, 1989).
Other examples- civilian pressure successfully forcing the Iranian military to replace monarchist uniform insignia with Islamic iconography after the Shah fell in 1979, Chinese citizens physically attacking soldiers for displaying traditional insignia rather than (later-officially-adopted) Maoist symbols in the 1960s, civilian nationalist groups in Ghana forcing a redesign of military uniforms to remove British colonial styling….
Now move the goal posts. Do it.
I don’t have to. You sourced two very un-American militaries. But thanks for the information.
“Or any country,” you asked. The fuck?
Huh. I did. Look at that.
chatgpt do all your writing for you?
No. Interesting choice of question. Feel free to engage with the topic.
disengage
go back to reddit, troll
The cross we have on dozens of monuments and buildings? If you are a Christian I don’t see an issue with wanting to wear it during service. Just like any religion’s iconography could be worn/displayed. It doesn’t come up on the ADL’s list of hate symbols. I haven’t been able to find proof of association with hate groups outside of the political guy having it as a tattoo, a very common and popular tattoo. This is literally just propaganda trying to paint any Christian as a white supremacist.
Fuck Christians and their symbology.
I disagree but I’m glad you’re permitted to say that.
I appreciate you.
The ADL is a ZioNazi hate org, no upstanding member of society should ever care what they say.
https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2025/01/22/adl-defends-nazi-salutes/
Likewise this is the same government hell bent on Israel slaughtering in the Middle East so they can have their rapture or whatever. There is no doubt this is related to white supremacism/Christian nationalism.
Sure, whatever you say. No doubt in your mind and no proof in your response.
First, fuck the ADL. They are so pro-fascism their own logo is now a hate-symbol. Second, the Jerusalem cross on dozens of buildings doesn’t sounds like a very significant Christian symbol. It’s very contextual. Third, you clearly haven’t looked very hard. Fourth, your conclusion is… really stupid. Stop being such a snowflake.
Do you think they’re talking about just a regular cross like you’d see on a church? Because that’s not the symbol being discussed here.
No I know the exact cross they are talking about. I can provide plenty of pictures of it all over the country including in buildings in the capital. I haven’t been able to find any pictures of hate groups actually using it though. Strictly left wing news articles claiming its a hate symbol, always while slamming that pig hegseth.
I agree, though I am of the opinion that in secular states (at least at home and in peace time) government officials (including the army) should not wear any religious iconography
Should an Islamic official be permitted to wear hijab like IIhan Omar? What about the camouflage turbans Sikh soldiers wear in the US military? Catholic congress person wearing a crucifix? Jewish congress man wearing a yarmulke?
I would say ideally not as they represent the state and thus should not wear iconography of any sort for secular states.
I also know that this might not be exactly practial in reality
for a lot of people that is asking them to renounce their religious beliefs in service of the national interest
Id agree
Yes I see that problem and in the best case it would not be renouncing their beliefs not to wear something where it is not appropriate, but there are many other beliefs or reasons where one is excluded from official office/army, etc.
Like what?
Similar to the original meaning of this post. Many countries forbid people to enter the military and similar office, if they are known to hold extreme believes (e.g. extreme right wing rhetoric has been used by them or such). Not always foolproof though
I think it shows minority groups they have representation and shouldn’t feel shamed for their beliefs. It also helps promote pride in diverse thoughts and backgrounds.
I think you are correct as it is now. And I do agree, as it is right now it is not practical to be completely secular for people holding these offices.
However, ideally, these groups would not need the recognition in this way as they ought to already have it otherwise and understanding that at some places some things are limited, should not discourage them to believe in what they want.
