• ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.comBanned
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    Adoption by white supremacists

    Because of the connotations of the Jerusalem cross as a symbol of Christian invasion of Muslim lands, and of Christian evangelism, the symbol has gained popularity with white supremacists in recent years.

    ok it’s whack to use religious symbols in military ads but just because it “gained popularity” with white supremacists doesn’t make it a white supremacist symbol.

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      Lol yeah just a run of the mill religious symbol…

      You literally just said yourself that it was used while Christians genocided Muslims.

      Even if it hadn’t been adopted by white supremacists (it has), it would still be abhorrent.

      You know that the swastika was a Hindu symbol before the Nazis adopted it, right? Is the swastika not a Nazi symbol?

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        Even if it hadn’t been adopted by white supremacists (it has), it would still be abhorrent.

        yes, it is abhorrent… it’s not, however, a white supremacist symbol.
        “crusader” is a terrible term for the military to associate itself with… but definitely not as terrible as a white supremacist symbol.
        white supremacists have also “adopted” wearing boots but i’m not going to call everyone wearing boots a white supremacist.

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            well yes and no.
            it was obviously their official symbol and on their flags, buttons, and everything else.
            But it was also ripped off and meant different things to different cultures for thousands of years.
            but to answer the loaded part of your question:
            Some white supremacist’s use of the crusader cross is not at all like the nazi’s use of the swastika

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                Well you’d at least need it to be tattooed onto the chest of the second in command of the worlds largest armed forces in the world, in a country that’s rapidly pivoted towards white Christian nationalism.

                So it’s safe to say this isn’t about white supremacy.

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      where are you located? in my part of the world, in my corner of america, that is the white supremacist symbol. you don’t often see people with it, but when you do it is a tattoo or morale patch on someone wearing other hate symbols. i assumed it was widely understood to be a white supremacist symbol in any context aside from displaying pride in Georgian national identity, so i’m learning new things today.

      i still think though we can safely assume that for the people putting out this propaganda that who they’re speaking to and for is racists

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        in America, that’s not a very common symbol…
        we don’t actually see a lot of white supremacists on the street though (they would get murked)

        quite a few christian nationalists have adopted other crusader symbolism so i see it as a horrible, christian nationalist, invader/colonizer symbol… but i’ve never seen it associated with white supremacism…

        my argument isn’t that it’s never used by white supremacists, it’s that it’s not an outright white supremacist symbol.
        i’d call it a dog whistle, though.