This is some “if they’re communist why haven’t they pressed the big red communism button?” Shit.
Socialism is the process between capitalism and communism. It’s not something that happens over night. Right now China for example has 60% of their gdp coming from state owned enterprises. They support workers buying shares of the companies they work at. They’ve made heaps of progress building socialism.
Don’t get me wrong, they’ve done FAR more for their working class as of late than the US has since FDR. However, you’re delusional if you think they’re socialist.
Socialist societies
Give the means of production to the proletariat. Not the state.
Force the state to exist solely as a tool of the working class. The state rules China’s working class. Not vice versa
Eliminates the system of capital. China has become increasingly state capitalist and just plain old capitalist over the years. That’s not socialism
Eliminates the investment/owning class and redistributes their private property as public property for the benefit of the proletariat. China, although far better at policing their billionaires than most nations, still fundamentally fails to eliminate them unless they go against, specifically, the CCP’s interests, which isn’t the proletariat.
And that isn’t even taking into account China’s imperial actions such as taking over Tibet, invading Vietnam, neocolonialism in developing nations, and wasting countless billions on saber rattling Taiwan rather than reinvesting that into its people.
This isn’t a “they’re getting to it” thing. This is a “they ultimately don’t fucking care about communism” thing.
Again, socialism isn’t something that just happens overnight. China is socialist in that they’re building socialism. Not that they’ve actually achieved it.
And no China is not imperialist unless you’re using a shitty “imperialism is when countries do things” and not what actual leftists mean when they talk about imperialism which is a inevitability when capitalism can’t keep profits improving at their current rates because they’ve fully expanded above capacity in the countries they are in.
Your entire belief here relies on the good intentions of the CCP to willingly give up power to the proletariat one day. Things like Tianamen Square or Hong Kong prove they’re only going to ever want to remain as the autocratic dictators they are, thus abandoning socialism/communism.
You still don’t understand what socialism nor communism is. I highly recommend you actually read the Communist Manifesto instead of whatever tankie bullshit you’ve been reading.
China is objectively imperial. Again and in no order: Vietnam, Taiwan, Tibet, Neo-Colonialism, Khemer Rouge (kinda mixes into Neo Colonialism), Kashmir, etc.
Your entire belief here relies on the good intentions of the CCP to willingly give up power to the proletariat one day.
The proletariat are IN POWER. How do explain billionaires getting executed for committing crimes as opposed to a slap on the wrist and loads of photos of then celebrating it up with other asshole rich politicians? That’s not a capitalist country where capitalists are in charge of the government, that’s a government run by the people in charge of the capitalists.
Things like Tianamen Square or Hong Kong prove they’re only going to ever want to remain as the autocratic dictators they are, thus abandoning socialism/communism.
You’re just deep throating western propaganda. If a country was actually a dictatorship and an enemy of the west it would be described as a dictatorship, and if it wasn’t a dictatorship, it would still be described as a dictatorship. So you’ve actually got to do a little more thinking and research into the topic instead of parroting what you heard from western media. Like the Tiananmen square protest where people where straight up lynching cops and setting ablaze military vehicles. But I suppose you only understand it as the place where people were squashed by tanks running everyone over even though the famous tankman pictures comes from a video of tanks leaving the square where this supposed massacre happened. Tanks that apparently had just got done squishing hundreds of people suddenly stopping for one guy and letting that one guy climb up top of a tank, talk to the guy inside it, and leave. You even bring up Hong Kong for fucks sakes. As EVIDENCE. A straight up colony being returned is evidence in your eyes of a country being an autocratic dictatorship. You are not someone who knows anything about China. You were told China was bad because of western propaganda and believed that completely and so literally anything China does is evidence for it. Xi Jinping could take a shit in the toilet tomorrow and if you were there to see it, you would take a photo of it and send it to me with a smug look on your face saying “see, I told you they were an autocratic dictatorship”.
You still don’t understand what socialism nor communism is. I highly recommend you actually read the Communist Manifesto instead of whatever tankie bullshit you’ve been reading.
I really think you need a read of the communist manifesto. And don’t stop there eitherm read up on some shit about China that doesn’t involve western media intentionally villainising them. And read up on what imperialism is because…
China is objectively imperial. Again and in no order: Vietnam, Taiwan, Tibet, Neo-Colonialism, Khemer Rouge (kinda mixes into Neo Colonialism), Kashmir, etc.
You clearly have no fucking clue what that is either. Imperialism is when profits can’t be maintained at the rate they are under capitalism so the capitalist class resorts to measures like colonialism to expand markets and get access to cheaper resources which raises profits. Imperialism isn’t just when a country does things I don’t like. Like China attacking Vietnam was bad, but that was because of the sino-soviet split and China fearing a vietnam-soviet alliance not imperialism. Tibet was a part of China, they were a literal slave state and now they enjoy the same rights as everyone else does in China.
And Taiwan. Oh my god I can’t dude. You’re killing me. Taiwan is an example of Chinese imperialism??? My guy Taiwan exists because of a civil war that never ended. Not just any civil war either but one where one side was communist. In your enlightened “umm I think you need to read the communist manifesto buddy” eyes if a civil war erupts in a country because communists what a communist government, then that makes them imperialist. Wow.
You will never see them because they are fantasy. The “not real communism” thing has always been a hilariously bad argument. It absolutely reeks of western-centric liberal democracy and a lack of understanding of theory. And that’s why you will never have political power, because you have a contradictory idea of communism. All rhetoric and no substance.
A so-called communist who just happens to hate all major communist movements of the past, and dwells on the biggest liberal instance of the fediverse, that’s like some kind of ironic joke.
You will never see them because they are fantasy. The “not real communism” thing has always been a hilariously bad argument.
Its just factual reality.
No self proclaimed communist country is communist, socialist, or even leftist on most issues.
I beg you to counter this reality with any evidence whatsoever that isn’t typical regurgitated tankie smooth brain bullshit.
It absolutely reeks of western-centric liberal democracy and a lack of understanding of theory.
Do tell me how the massacre of his own citizens and the gulag system of Stalin’s reign fits the ideals of Marx.
How does collectivizing and reaping all the value from the labor of the captive peasants fit the ideals of proletariat rule?
Tell me how the Kim Dynasty forcing their people into isolation, concentration camps and to worship their leader as a god, gives its working class the means of production.
Explain how China expanding into Tibet, starving 40 million of its own people, invading Vietnam and massacring student protestors in Tianamen Square, spreads the freedom and prosperity Marx preached for the working class.
We can walk through every self proclaimed communist nation and completely dismantle their claims of communism by simply observing their actions.
You clearly don’t understand anything about the theory of communism whatsoever.
Spread your psychological projection elsewhere.
And that’s why you will never have political power, because you have a contradictory idea of communism. All rhetoric and no substance.
You know who never got any real political power in self proclaimed communist nations?
The fucking proletariat
A so-called communist who just happens to hate all major communist movements of the past,
Yeah, I tend to hate communist movements that aren’t actually communist movements and instead result in autocratic tyranny over the proletariat, sometimes putting them in a far worse position than they were in previously.
A foreign concept to tankies like you, I’m sure, but real communists actually want to achieve communism.
This takes yet another foreign concept to you tankies, which is
Having standards
Only supporting movements that actually provably benefit the working class
Actually trying to fucking achieve communism.
and dwells on the biggest liberal instance of the fediverse, that’s like some kind of ironic joke.
Hey dipshit, take a moment to look where the fuck you’re dwelling right now.
And this place, unlike the bullshit faux communist tankie safe space you frequent like some sort of deranged MAGAt Facebook boomer does to Trump pages, actually welcomes discussion and promotion of communist ideals. Not the dumbfuck apologetics to fascists who slapped a “communist” aesthetic onto their reign of terror.
No, dipshit. I desperately do hope the ideals of communism come to fruition and that I live to see them in my lifetime.
But no self proclaimed communist nation has ever even remotely bodied the core principles of communism.
Most importantly the proletariat owning the means of production and the elimination of the system of capital.
This is some “if they’re communist why haven’t they pressed the big red communism button?” Shit.
Socialism is the process between capitalism and communism. It’s not something that happens over night. Right now China for example has 60% of their gdp coming from state owned enterprises. They support workers buying shares of the companies they work at. They’ve made heaps of progress building socialism.
China is objectively not socialist
Don’t get me wrong, they’ve done FAR more for their working class as of late than the US has since FDR. However, you’re delusional if you think they’re socialist.
Socialist societies
And that isn’t even taking into account China’s imperial actions such as taking over Tibet, invading Vietnam, neocolonialism in developing nations, and wasting countless billions on saber rattling Taiwan rather than reinvesting that into its people.
This isn’t a “they’re getting to it” thing. This is a “they ultimately don’t fucking care about communism” thing.
Again, socialism isn’t something that just happens overnight. China is socialist in that they’re building socialism. Not that they’ve actually achieved it.
And no China is not imperialist unless you’re using a shitty “imperialism is when countries do things” and not what actual leftists mean when they talk about imperialism which is a inevitability when capitalism can’t keep profits improving at their current rates because they’ve fully expanded above capacity in the countries they are in.
No u
The proletariat are IN POWER. How do explain billionaires getting executed for committing crimes as opposed to a slap on the wrist and loads of photos of then celebrating it up with other asshole rich politicians? That’s not a capitalist country where capitalists are in charge of the government, that’s a government run by the people in charge of the capitalists.
You’re just deep throating western propaganda. If a country was actually a dictatorship and an enemy of the west it would be described as a dictatorship, and if it wasn’t a dictatorship, it would still be described as a dictatorship. So you’ve actually got to do a little more thinking and research into the topic instead of parroting what you heard from western media. Like the Tiananmen square protest where people where straight up lynching cops and setting ablaze military vehicles. But I suppose you only understand it as the place where people were squashed by tanks running everyone over even though the famous tankman pictures comes from a video of tanks leaving the square where this supposed massacre happened. Tanks that apparently had just got done squishing hundreds of people suddenly stopping for one guy and letting that one guy climb up top of a tank, talk to the guy inside it, and leave. You even bring up Hong Kong for fucks sakes. As EVIDENCE. A straight up colony being returned is evidence in your eyes of a country being an autocratic dictatorship. You are not someone who knows anything about China. You were told China was bad because of western propaganda and believed that completely and so literally anything China does is evidence for it. Xi Jinping could take a shit in the toilet tomorrow and if you were there to see it, you would take a photo of it and send it to me with a smug look on your face saying “see, I told you they were an autocratic dictatorship”.
I really think you need a read of the communist manifesto. And don’t stop there eitherm read up on some shit about China that doesn’t involve western media intentionally villainising them. And read up on what imperialism is because…
You clearly have no fucking clue what that is either. Imperialism is when profits can’t be maintained at the rate they are under capitalism so the capitalist class resorts to measures like colonialism to expand markets and get access to cheaper resources which raises profits. Imperialism isn’t just when a country does things I don’t like. Like China attacking Vietnam was bad, but that was because of the sino-soviet split and China fearing a vietnam-soviet alliance not imperialism. Tibet was a part of China, they were a literal slave state and now they enjoy the same rights as everyone else does in China.
And Taiwan. Oh my god I can’t dude. You’re killing me. Taiwan is an example of Chinese imperialism??? My guy Taiwan exists because of a civil war that never ended. Not just any civil war either but one where one side was communist. In your enlightened “umm I think you need to read the communist manifesto buddy” eyes if a civil war erupts in a country because communists what a communist government, then that makes them imperialist. Wow.
You will never see them because they are fantasy. The “not real communism” thing has always been a hilariously bad argument. It absolutely reeks of western-centric liberal democracy and a lack of understanding of theory. And that’s why you will never have political power, because you have a contradictory idea of communism. All rhetoric and no substance.
A so-called communist who just happens to hate all major communist movements of the past, and dwells on the biggest liberal instance of the fediverse, that’s like some kind of ironic joke.
Its just factual reality.
No self proclaimed communist country is communist, socialist, or even leftist on most issues.
I beg you to counter this reality with any evidence whatsoever that isn’t typical regurgitated tankie smooth brain bullshit.
Do tell me how the massacre of his own citizens and the gulag system of Stalin’s reign fits the ideals of Marx.
How does collectivizing and reaping all the value from the labor of the captive peasants fit the ideals of proletariat rule?
Tell me how the Kim Dynasty forcing their people into isolation, concentration camps and to worship their leader as a god, gives its working class the means of production.
Explain how China expanding into Tibet, starving 40 million of its own people, invading Vietnam and massacring student protestors in Tianamen Square, spreads the freedom and prosperity Marx preached for the working class.
We can walk through every self proclaimed communist nation and completely dismantle their claims of communism by simply observing their actions.
You clearly don’t understand anything about the theory of communism whatsoever.
Spread your psychological projection elsewhere.
You know who never got any real political power in self proclaimed communist nations?
The fucking proletariat
Yeah, I tend to hate communist movements that aren’t actually communist movements and instead result in autocratic tyranny over the proletariat, sometimes putting them in a far worse position than they were in previously.
A foreign concept to tankies like you, I’m sure, but real communists actually want to achieve communism.
This takes yet another foreign concept to you tankies, which is
Hey dipshit, take a moment to look where the fuck you’re dwelling right now.
And this place, unlike the bullshit faux communist tankie safe space you frequent like some sort of deranged MAGAt Facebook boomer does to Trump pages, actually welcomes discussion and promotion of communist ideals. Not the dumbfuck apologetics to fascists who slapped a “communist” aesthetic onto their reign of terror.