How do you set up a server? Do you do any automation or do you just open up an SSH session and YOLO? Any containers? Is docker-compose enough for you or are you one of those unicorns who had no issues whatsoever with rootless Podman? Do you use any premade scripts or do you hand craft it all? What distro are you building on top of?
I’m currently in process of “building” my own server and I’m kinda wondering how “far” most people are going, where do y’all take any shortcuts, and what do you spend effort getting just right.
I’m a lazy piece of shit and containers give me cancer, so I just keep iptables aggressive and spin up whatever on an Ubuntu box that gets upgrades when I feel like wasting a weekend in my underwear.
An honest soul
I get paid to do shit with rigor; I don’t have the time, energy, or help to make something classy for funsies. I’m also kind of a grumpy old man such that while I’ll praise and embrace Python’s addition of f-strings which make life better in myriad ways, I eschew the worse laziness of the all the containers attitude that we see for deployment.
Maybe a day shall come when containers are truly less of a headache than just thinking shit through the first time, and I’ll begrudgingly adapt and grow, but that day ain’t today.
I use debian VMs and create rootless podman containers for everything. Here’s my collection so far.
I’m currently in the process of learning how to combine this with ansible… that would save me some time when migrating servers/instances.
Thanks for sharing. There’s some great stuff in the repo.
Proxmox, then create LXC for everything (moslty debian and a bit of alpine), no automation, full yolo, if it break I have backup (problems are for future me eh)
This.
Proxmox and then LXCs for anything I need.and yes - I cheat a bit, I use the excellent Proxmox scripts - https://tteck.github.io/Proxmox/ because I’m lazy like that haha
I used to do the same, but nowadays I just run everything in docker, within a single lxc container on proxmox. Having to setup mono or similar every time I wanted to setup a game server or even jellyfin was annoying.
Mostly the same. Proxmox with several LXC, two of which are running docker. One for my multimedia, the other for my game servers.
After many years of tinkering, I finally gave in and converted my whole stack over to UnRAID a few years ago. You know what? It’s awesome, and I wish I had done it sooner. It automates so many of the more tedious aspects of home server management. I work in IT, so for me it’s less about scratching the itch and more about having competent hosting of services I consider mission-critical. UnRAID lets me do that easily and effectively.
Most of my fun stuff is controlled through Docker and VMs via UnRAID, and I have a secondary external Linux server which handles some tasks I don’t want to saddle UnRAID with (PFSense, Adblocking, etc). The UnRAID server itself has 128GB RAM and dual XEON CPUs, so plenty of go for my home projects. I’m at 12TB right now but I was just on Amazon eyeing some 8TB drives…
Debian and docker compose
Right now, I just flash ubuntu server to whatever computer it is, ssh and yolo lmao. no containers, no managers, just me, my servers, and a vpn, raw dogging the internet lmao. The box is running a nas, jellyfin, lemmy, and a print server; the laptop a minecraft server, and the pi is running a pihole, and a website that controls gpio that controls the lights. In the pictured setup i dont have access to the apartment complex’s router, so i vpn through a openvpn server i setup in a digitalocean server.
i didnt even know what a container was until i setup the lemmy server, which i just used ansible for.
i still dont really know what ansible is.
Synology with docker-compose stack
Debian + nginx + docker (compose).
That’s usually enough for me. I have all my docker compose files in their respective containers in the home directory like
~/red-discordbot/docker-compose.yml.The only headache I’ve dealt with are permissions because I have to run docker as root and it makes a lot of messy permissions in the home directories. I’ve been trying rootless docker earlier and it’s been great so far.
edit: I also use
rclonefor backups.I have a git repository with all my compose files sorted neatly into directories, i.e. my “stack”. Portainer allows adding stacks using a repository, so it’s essentially one click deployment once the compose file is on a remote git server.
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I love unraid! Definitely wait between updates though to let them stabilize.
For personal Linux servers, I tend to run Debian or Ubuntu, with a pretty simple “base” setup that I just run through manually in my head.
- Setup my personal account.
- Upload my SSH keys.
- Configure the hostname (usually after something in Star Trek 🖖).
- Configure the /etc/hotss file.
- Make sure it is fully patched.
- Setup ZeroTier.
- Setup Telegraf to ship some metrics.
- Reboot.
I don’t automate any of this because I don’t see a whole of point in doing it.
Super interesting to me that you swap between Debian and Ubuntu. Is there any rhyme or reason to why you use one over the other?
I tend to prefer installing Debian on a server, but recently I did install Ubuntu’s recent LTS on a box because I was running into an issue with the latest version of Debian. I didn’t want to revert to an earlier version of Debian or spend a bunch of time figuring out the problem I was having with Python, so I opted to use Ubuntu, which worked.
Ubuntu is based on Debian, so it’s like using the same operating system, as far as I’m concerned.
About two years ago my set up had gotten out of control, as it will. Closet full of crap all running vms all poorly managed by chef. Different linux flavors everywhere.
Now its one big physical ubuntu box. Everything gets its own ubuntu VM. These days if I can’t do it in shell scripts and xml I’m annoyed. Anything fancier than that i’d better be getting paid. I document in markdown as i go and rsync the important stuff from each VM to an external every night. Something goes wrong i just burn the vm, copy paste it back together in a new one from the mkdocs site. Then get on with my day.
Sqlite where possible, nginx, linux, no containers. I hate containers.
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I’ve set up some godforsaken combination of docker, podman, nerdctl and bare metal at work for stuff I needed since they hired me. Every day I’m in constant dread something I made will go down, because I don’t have enough time to figure out how I was supposed to do it right T.T
I run unraid on my server box with a few 8tb hdd and nvme for cache. From there it is really easy to spin up Docker containers or stacks using compose, as well as VMs using your iso of choice.
For automation, I use Ansible to run one click setup machines; it is great for any cloud provider work too.
