It saddens me that people exist who are more angry at having apartheid and genocide pointed out than about the apartheid and genocide.

I disagree.

1. The “far left” want to end capitalism, the far right want to increase the power of those who already hold power in the capitalist system. This is not the same.

2. You provided two center right examples. If you want a center left example, does the “far left” hate Bernie more than literal fascists? I doubt you’ll find a majority saying so.

3. I can’t speak to this one. I don’t like Putin or Assad, and I dont know much about Maduro, but I thought he was from somewhere in South America. How can that be “anti-western?”

4. I dont recall a meeting where Russell Brand was dubbed the spokesperson for any left party, let alone “the far left” as a whole. Have you ever tried speaking to someone who is “far left?” What exactly do you think makes someone “far left?” Even better, how do we all get generalized into being grouped with some dude I forgot existed until you name dropped him?

5. Maybe there exists some “unhinged hostility” against Israel on the left. I haven’t seen a hint of it, but I won’t make a strong claim. I will say that when I talk about genocide and apartheid, those things are bad, mmkay?

6. I’m not sure the average far right person could honestly define globalization, they use the term as a racist or anti-semitic dog whistle. I also think the average “far left” person doesn’t dislike the idea of the people of the world getting together (does the phrase “workers of the world unite” ring any bells?) the issue we have is with the way its been handled, which is to exploit as many workers as possible, as obscenely as possible, for the enrichment of a lucky few.

Respectfully, I don’t think you have a single strong point, let alone “many, many more.”

The US. So I’m working against authoritarianism and covid-aiding death cultists here.

I don’t care, I’m not trying to make that point.

The point I’m trying to make is I live in a country that has no leg to stand on when it comes to pointing fingers. A country that made blood sacrifices of over a million people so that a few uber wealthy shit sandwiches could be more wealthy and powerful. I’m not worried about what’s going on in China because I’m suffering under an authoritarian regime on this side of the Pacific.

Maybe if people who constantly whine about China would help me change things here, I would have the ability to change things there.

It’s wild how few words one would have to substitute for that same page to be about the USA.

Edit: not all that wild, more normalized, banal and infuriating.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/7c95a523-b6c6-42a2-9089-e3c33292d969.png

That is a REALLY good point, it looks to me like a lot of the most popular and/or sophisticated far right propaganda outlets also function as cash grabs.

But to your original question, yes, I recognize DonutOperator as propaganda. He has platformed extremist right wing politicians in the past, and the main function of his platform is to normalize police violence. (Edit: I forgot that his platform has grown. The main function of the YouTube channel under that name is to normalize police violence, a lot of what seems to have grown around that is the cash grab stuff)

I just checked and both PragerU and DonutOperator still exist on YouTube. If they have ever had anti propaganda rules, I can’t think of a time I’ve ever seen them enforced.

“Just” $5,000. Because that’s chump change to me.

As is tradition.

no, i mean this here is what they say about you, they talk about left ideas like it’s dangerous communism/dictature with all the negative consequences.

Yes I know, this is why we must leave them behind.

They say that they have to be extreme to counterbalance the other extreme.

I’m not saying this is never said, but I will say that I have never heard this and I pay a decent amount of attention. What they usually say is some variation on a lie or conspiracy theory.

Nobody ever listen to each other because everyone keeps going more extreme. Rather than trying to find a common ground.

I listen to both their leaders and their voters. The leaders are whom I’m attempting to tell people to walk away from because they spew unhinged garbage designed to distract the majority of their voters from the fact that it is the very people they vote for making their lives worse. No, I can’t find common ground with people willing to grind up humanity for the profit of a handful of wealthy, powerful monsters. And the entire point of the video is to encourage you to stop trying to find common ground with them because that’s a bad idea that has only lead to suffering and mass death, and will continue to lead to suffering and mass death. We need not allow barbarism a seat at the table.

Labor “deal.”

Yes, that is what the video says. Generally the liberals, or “moderate” right, insist that we HAVE to listen to the extremist right. This has gotten us stuck in a quagmire, and kept us from solving problems and indeed backsliding, for decades. The extremist right generally has some vapid falsehood or outright insane conspiracy theory to peddle, and entertains and distracts it’s voters.

I believe the narrator is trying to get “moderate” voters to take a teensy, tiny step to the left; away from their comfortable friends, the literal fascists; and ignore them a little more in favor of facing reality and solving problems.

And self awareness and good old fashioned honesty are hard to come by these days I guess. Not much we can do (in a fast, easy fashion) when folks prefer easy comfortable lies over cold hard reality.

Great talk 👍

The point you were trying to make.

What?

I don’t know what’s going on in China. With the titanic amount of bullshit and propaganda that surrounds the country, I don’t know if I have time to figure out what’s going on in China. But one thing I find interesting when talking to folks IRL about China is, the people who are the most “concerned” about conditions and police brutality there, are the first ones to cheer on police brutality and hand-wave shitty conditions here.

This seems like such a strange little piece, and I can’t put my finger on why it raises a red flag. I absolutely feel for the people of Ukraine, but I have so many questions.

Are they trying to tell big business that they can raise prices and just point to catastrophes and we’ll pay them? Had they not heard of the labor movements of the late 19th and early 20th centuries? What about studying extremist politicians solidarity with apartheid Israel?

Don’t know, just feels strange.

So very different than Trump and not at all complicit in covering for murder. 🙄