I disagree, it’s still too early and a bit presumptuous to make such conclusive statements

Sure but I’m not sure why you are bringing this up. What’s the wider point you are trying to make?

Getty is already suing the Dall-E creators, and someone is suing MS for Copilot; so it’s already started

I am sorry but you don’t know what you are talking about. These things are regulated by legal documents, you don’t just wake up on morning and say “trust me bro, their data is public”

If you go and read their TnC’s it explicitly statea that scraping is forbidden without prioir written consent. They only allow access to their data via APIs, which of course they charge for

The fact that it can be easily scraped it’s neither here nor there, if they catch you they can sue you

Technically not (well, they can make it harder), but they can sue them for doing it

Oh I’m not saying they are doing the right thing or that it was the correct decision. Just speculating whether LLMs is what kicked off the whole thing

MUCH heavier accusations

You know, his takes are so extreme I often feel the account is a parody or, slightly more likely, a far right 4chan type posing as a tankie for kicks and giggle (or worse)

Good try, dessalines, but I ain’t biting 😉

I’ve yet to run into any of these individuals.

…you wrote, only half an hour earlier 😉

No worries 😆

Exactly because we made the mistake once, in more naive times, we don’t want to make it again…

No one seems to have any problem with some of the extreme anti-human ideologies that a lot of social media ceos have.

That’s patently untrue

I mean I like the lemmy-verse, but the main devs behind Lemmy are totally tankies. It’s the reason why a lot of people are hesitant in joining

This is the main developer (one of the only two developers) - if the avatar wasn’t enough, have a look at the “essays” repo in his account… https://github.com/dessalines

Does it matter what Reddit’s business model was founded on? Businesses respond to changing conditions all the time and pivot.

“they got greedy” seems really a naive way of looking at it. They are a business, that’s what businesses are all about. Additionally, they are a busienss which is NOT profitable, and need to to change things to survive now that the era of low interest rates has come to end. The real issue is that they are so inept IMHO

I find the word “entshittification” so cringe

Interesting. Do you have a link to the specifics of the law you are talking about?

“Merely” - the TOS basically grant Reddit the ability to do what the hell they want with it, LOL

When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for us to make Your Content available for syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication by other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with Reddit.

And furthermore

You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content.

They could have, probably / maybe, but they are quite inept. What is social media if not a giant dataset?!?

Depends on the TnCs

IF the owners of the data agree, or, if they disagree, until they take you to court. Getty Images are taking the creators of Dall-E to court, an some tech company is taking MS to court for Copilot

Yeah, one of the other answers to the AMA was “we are not profitable yet, unlike the 3rd part app devs…” - that is something that wouldn’t sit well with any investor I know

China and Russia will no doubt gladly help