• Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    At the same time you can turn that around and say that there are thousands of regular people (that didn’t have any power over what their country was doing and didn’t participate in it) who would be alive today and that aren’t because of two bombs… So it’s not that strong of an argument when you think about it…

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        1 year ago

        Yes, because the citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the ones deciding what the emperor was doing.

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            1 year ago

            Because the fucking Imperial government was trash. You think I’m defending Japan? Fuck no. But it’s a historical fact that the ONLY thing stopping them from surrendering at that point was their worry that surrendering would mean the US forcing them to remove the emperor. What they didn’t know, and what the US refused to tell them, was that they didn’t give two shits about the emperor. In fact, their demand for Japan’s surrender included a statement that the Emperor would retain his place. That little note was only removed when the nuclear tests came back to the President, letting him know that the bombs would work.

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        1 year ago

        You’re saying with the point of view of someone in 2023. The Army would have shot people fighting against their government and that would have been the end of it. Japan (especially at the time) is also culturally very different from Western countries.

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            I never said it’s not dramatic, I said that your argument that “people are alive today because X” doesn’t hold much water because others died so they’re alive. Go tell the family of those who died that their brother/sister/parent had to die to save people in another country.