I’m actually happy with this result. Seeing a time penalty for something that didn’t give an advantage during the race would feel wrong to me.
Not gonna comment about the size of the fine because even “only” €5,000 is such a large amount of money for most of us.
Kind of a weak fine if you compare it to Verstappen’s 50.000 fine for touching a rear wing a couple of years ago.
People have received up to 1 minute penalties for similar starting infringements back in the 90ies… so yeah it is weak
Absolutely. LeClerc was fined €5000 (+€5000 suspended) for using profanity outside the track. Profanities are now more severely punished than illegally driving on a track while stewards and a driver are walking around.
Yesterday a team provisionally earned €30,000,000. A fine of €50,000 is a joke when compared to rewards like that. If touching a competitor’s car provides information that makes you win races, it is absolutely worth it. See https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-mercedes-rear-wing-marks-behind-red-bulls-suspicions/6799537/ and https://www.racefans.net/2021/11/13/verstappen-fined-e50000-as-stewards-rule-he-did-no-direct-harm-touching-hamiltons-rear-wing/
A complete joke that McLaren, Merc, VCARB and Haas get off almost scott free for breaking the rules. It makes no sense to me that Hamilton got two 5 second penalties in Sochi 2020 for doing a practice start from the wrong spot in the pitlane but shit like this goes unpunished. At least the top 3 should have gotten time penalties because they are the ones who instigated it.
The result wouldn’t have changed much even with all the guilty parties rightfully recieving a 5 sec penalty. Russell would still be
3rd4th, Norris would still be 6th, Yuki would still be 7th, piastri would still be 8th and ollie would still be 12th. The only beneficiary would be perez who would move upto 9th after the penalties for lawson and lewis who would drop to 10th and 11th respectively.So.checo gets 5 seconds… but nothing here?
Checo got a sporting advantage. Norris didnt
Norris created a potential dangerous situation for Stewards, much worse than a sporting advantage.
Checo got a sporting advantage. Norris didnt
What about “judge the infraction, not the outcome” that gets repeatedly quoted when somebody was suffering a big crash but the guilty driver gets only 5 secs or so? Starting infraction is starting infraction.
When a driver speeds in the pit lane during practice they only get a fine but when they speed during the race (when they gain a sporting advantage) they get a time penalty and it’s the exact same infraction. You say starting infraction as if the two cases are the same but they’re not.
When a driver speeds in the pit lane during practice they only get a fin
Maybe bring up that example when Norris runs a red light in free practice, not during the race session.
Sporting advantage is not the only criteria involved when dishing out penalties as we saw with Bearman’s penalty today. He was the one who spun because of the contact and yet he was the one who was punished because the contact was his fault
Should’ve been a usual starting infringement 5s penalty. Stewarding has been awful this weekend.
This reminds me of Baku a few years ago where basically everyone aside from Hamilton ignored yellow flags, and rather than punish everyone who broke rules (that are of course in place for safety reasons!), they had an attitude of “well, if enough people do it we won’t punish them”.
Stewarding has been awful this weekend.
Johnny Herbert was a steward again, so that was kind of expected.
He was last week and it was mostly fine, aside from Max not being punished for T8, which was actually a more egregious incident than his T4 antics.
Came looking for this. Thanks OP.
Formula 1 has become a joke. If a driver would do the same in a karting championship, they would be instantaneously disqualified.
Norris has the right passport 😜
Stop with the passport conspiracy nonsense, FFS.
It doesn’t even make sense. Someone with that same passport got a championship taken from them by the race director, then threatened with legal action, then threatened with expulsion from F1 over a damn nose stud.
Shit, in this very race Ollie Bearman got a 10s penalty.
Tsunoda and Lawson also aren’t British but did the exact same thing.
Someone with that same passport got a championship taken from them by the race director
Do you mean the race when that English person could earlier cut a corner, overtake off the track, gain a massive advantage, and then later had to only lift off the throttle a bit which was then “the advantage was given back”?
Tsunoda and Lawson also aren’t British but did the exact same thing.
No, they didn’t because the weren’t in the front row.
Do you mean the race when that English person could earlier cut a corner overtake off the track, gain a massive advantage, and then later had to only lift off the throttle a bit which was then “the advantage was given back”?
Hahaha, you mean when he was pushed off track and had to take evasive action to avoid a crash? Then backed off the accelerator to negate any advantage he got from being shoved off the track, a situation that was entirely caused by Max in the first place, who was desperate for a crash that would secure the championship?
Lmao you cannot be seriously defending AD2021 and pretending you aren’t enormously biased, Mr Dutch-Username
No, they didn’t because the weren’t in the front row.
Ah, I forgot that safety regs only apply to P1 and P2. Silly me. I must have missed that FIA regulation. Can you point it out to me so I can read up on it?
Lmao you cannot be seriously defending AD2021 and pretending you aren’t enormously biased, Mr Dutch-Username
I’m not Dutch, nor do I have a Dutch user name. Can’t even get your xenophobia right. OTOH your affiliation:
Ah, I forgot that safety regs only apply to P1 and P2. Silly me. I must have missed that FIA regulation. Can you point it out to me so I can read up on it?
Yes, follow up Tweet quoting the stewards’ decision:
Maybe should have clicked on the linked source instead of making stuff up. The answer was right there a mere 40 minutes after the first Tweet.
Also several racing directives are secret under NDA. The FIA knows them, select individuals from the teams know them, journalists and therefore the public don’t know them. the-race.com could recently only quote a few sentences in a follow-up podcast to the recent discussions about overtaking rules because those were leaked to them.
Of course it does not make sense. It was a reference to what Max said, and I added a smiley.
Of course it does not make sense.
In pretty much every international sporting competition, the referees are from countries other than the competing teams/athletes. Football, boxing, you name it. It’s part of rules to maintain impartiality and fairness in the matches. Englishman Johnny Herbert being part of the stewarding team to judge over English teams and athletes would be a scandal in every other sport’s world championship. This weekend a German ADAC higher-up was also part of the stewarding team. I have no idea about his impartiality regarding Mercedes or Nico Hülkenberg and there shouldn’t be any questions regarding impartiality based on nationality. That’s precisely why others sports have such rules.
Yeah it makes zero sense. It’s a dumb conspiracy theory that people love to parrot whenever “their” driver has any problems.
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