On Wednesday the German government approved a bill for the controlled legalization of cannabis, which aims to decriminalize the possession of quantities of up to 25 grams and the s
I see the “drugs are bad” comment jn your history…
Oppression of drugs is bad and makes the problem worse while criminals get rich.
This is quite literally the way if we want a healthier society with less drug related problems and crime. Asks scientist and people who work gave experience working with addicts.
Criminalization creates taboo, which means people hide from help and lie that they don’t have a problem instead of looking for a way out. They are paranoid to tell their medical professionals the truth because they fear the state and police.
The glorification of some aspects of drug culture is a side effect of this. So yes drugs might get more visible in society but the toxicity in the drugs will be less, the damage they do will be contained, social safety will be more prevalent as people stop hiding their use and help to recognize their problem and quit will be open and accessible.
Your well thought and well written post will likely land on deaf ears.
In my experience, evidence, logical arguments and simple common sense are completely ineffective with the kind of people who think “drugs bad and that’s it” and are convinced that more War on Drugs is the solution. Despite the fact that all the evidence around us shows that it’s not.
I know for the person i commented on its probably to late but if i can get some lurkers that simply not know any better to start doing some research then thats a win.
Why is it dumb exactly? All lives are equally valuable and it’s enshrined in Article 3 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Poisoning yourself definitely goes against your right to life and of security of person
The only drug I take is alcohol, I still don’t think someone should be criminalised for getting high.
I especially don’t think that the way to cure drug addiction is to throw people in to prison. Drug problems need to be treated as a health issue, not a criminal one. No happy and healthy person ever woke up and just decided to get addicted to heroin.
Therapy makes sense when people have problems in their life.
It is very well possible to consume drugs like marijuana without developing a dependance, and especially without getting any problems in life. Which means, without indicating any therapy.
The opposite also happens, and therapy for those who struggle definitely makes sense. It just does not make sense to generalize this way.
If someone uses drugs it’s definitely as a means of evasion, so yeah, marijuana users should go to therapy no matter how they convince themselves and others to be “fine”
People use strategies of evasions in a zillion ways, most don’t involve any drugs (like making holidays to evade your everyday life), some involve legal drugs like alcohol (e.g. evade your social anxiety in social events). Using evasive strategies on it’s own is a normal part of live and in itself not a sufficient indicator for therapy. If the individual life suffers from it, then yes. What’s the point of doing therapy with someone who is fine, after all? All while people who actually suffer struggle to get any therapy to begin with?
We could also very well argue that all of these ways in which people use evasive strategies would be worth of therapy. I could get behind that (though there are good reasons against it, too), but see no reason to single out marijuana then.
So there were a couple of thoughts in my comment, a few perspectives and nuances. You singled out one (or actually rather projected) which suits your view which you don’t want to change. There were many other ways to engage in a constructive way, which you evaded.
By your logic, don’t you need therapy now? Evasion bad, right?
They seem to believe a lot of nonsense. So i wouldnt take their claims for much.
That said while there is a clinical difference between physically and psychological addiction I personally vouch for a more open approach that different people can experience and suffer from addiction in multiple ways. There is also some evidence that similar to allergies some rare people can be physically addicted to anything.
I met dozens if not hundreds of people who did exactly that. Most indefinitely. Usually without any therapeutic help.
Because it is not physically addictive. It can be psychologically addictive, yes, and some people really do struggle to stop using it. Though most users can quit relatively easy and usually do when they need to be more responsible in their life; ‘grow up’.
Making/keeping drugs illegal is the biggest funding program for organized crime there ever has been in human history. Every serious criminologist will tell you that the war on drugs has never done anything against drug abuse.
It’s still a good thing to offer a voice of reason when someone spouts nonsense. You may not change their mind, but there are always others who read and are on the fence. Offering sources and reasoning can help a great deal, without any visible effect. In this sense, thank you for your service! o7
That would almost make sense, were the majority of murders committed by a hitmen making their living as per the amount of drugs that are sold by gangs.
Most murders are committed without a cash goal in mind, but how many people are supplying cannabis, cocaine or heroin without profit in mind?
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I see the “drugs are bad” comment jn your history…
Oppression of drugs is bad and makes the problem worse while criminals get rich.
This is quite literally the way if we want a healthier society with less drug related problems and crime. Asks scientist and people who work gave experience working with addicts.
Criminalization creates taboo, which means people hide from help and lie that they don’t have a problem instead of looking for a way out. They are paranoid to tell their medical professionals the truth because they fear the state and police.
The glorification of some aspects of drug culture is a side effect of this. So yes drugs might get more visible in society but the toxicity in the drugs will be less, the damage they do will be contained, social safety will be more prevalent as people stop hiding their use and help to recognize their problem and quit will be open and accessible.
Your well thought and well written post will likely land on deaf ears.
In my experience, evidence, logical arguments and simple common sense are completely ineffective with the kind of people who think “drugs bad and that’s it” and are convinced that more War on Drugs is the solution. Despite the fact that all the evidence around us shows that it’s not.
I know for the person i commented on its probably to late but if i can get some lurkers that simply not know any better to start doing some research then thats a win.
“We can’t effectively end murder so let’s just allow it, hitmen will stop earning money this way”
To compare getting high to murdering a person might be the most unfitting and dumb comparison I have heard in my whole life.
Both damage someone, even though using drugs mostly (but not only) hurts yourself
That is why it´s a very dumb comparison …
Why is it dumb exactly? All lives are equally valuable and it’s enshrined in Article 3 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Poisoning yourself definitely goes against your right to life and of security of person
Fucking what? Making decisions about my own body somehow violates my rights?
What next, you’re going to regulate my diet to make sure I don’t hurt my own “rights” by eating too many pastries or having too many drinks?
You don’t sound like someone who values individual liberty. You sound like a wannabe fascist trying to control people.
I didn’t make up ethics and human rights
Harm reduction is a well studied principle based on real science.
https://www.samhsa.gov/find-help/harm-reduction#
What sources do you have that legalizing murder will decrease the harm of it?
Therapy for addicts, Jail for murderers, rapist and shady bussinesspeople (and also therapy for all).
Yes, consumers need therapy, dealers need jailtime, but legalising it is just bs
Yeah, so much better to arrest someone for smoking a joint. Prisons aren’t full enough.
damn you suck
Love all the downvotes by closeted drug addicts
The only drug I take is alcohol, I still don’t think someone should be criminalised for getting high.
I especially don’t think that the way to cure drug addiction is to throw people in to prison. Drug problems need to be treated as a health issue, not a criminal one. No happy and healthy person ever woke up and just decided to get addicted to heroin.
No, consumers should not be treated like dealers. They’re not criminals, but victims of themselves that need therapy.
Therapy makes sense when people have problems in their life.
It is very well possible to consume drugs like marijuana without developing a dependance, and especially without getting any problems in life. Which means, without indicating any therapy.
The opposite also happens, and therapy for those who struggle definitely makes sense. It just does not make sense to generalize this way.
If someone uses drugs it’s definitely as a means of evasion, so yeah, marijuana users should go to therapy no matter how they convince themselves and others to be “fine”
People use strategies of evasions in a zillion ways, most don’t involve any drugs (like making holidays to evade your everyday life), some involve legal drugs like alcohol (e.g. evade your social anxiety in social events). Using evasive strategies on it’s own is a normal part of live and in itself not a sufficient indicator for therapy. If the individual life suffers from it, then yes. What’s the point of doing therapy with someone who is fine, after all? All while people who actually suffer struggle to get any therapy to begin with?
We could also very well argue that all of these ways in which people use evasive strategies would be worth of therapy. I could get behind that (though there are good reasons against it, too), but see no reason to single out marijuana then.
Someone who regularly drinks alcohol to forget how shitty their life is currently being definitely deserves therapy
So there were a couple of thoughts in my comment, a few perspectives and nuances. You singled out one (or actually rather projected) which suits your view which you don’t want to change. There were many other ways to engage in a constructive way, which you evaded.
By your logic, don’t you need therapy now? Evasion bad, right?
Do you drink alcohol? If yes, you need therapy according to your own statement. And so does every single other person on earth who consumes alcohol.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholics_Anonymous
That does not answer my question? Have you ever drank alcohol (any, even once a year or a single time in your life)? If so, are you going to therapy?
Are you actually claiming cannabis is addictive? Physically addictive?
They seem to believe a lot of nonsense. So i wouldnt take their claims for much.
That said while there is a clinical difference between physically and psychological addiction I personally vouch for a more open approach that different people can experience and suffer from addiction in multiple ways. There is also some evidence that similar to allergies some rare people can be physically addicted to anything.
Unfortunately, they already said blatantly in a response to me that it is physically addictive. I am waiting for evidence.
Yes, and you denying it just proves my point
Can you provide some evidence that cannabis is physically addictive please?
Well, the evidence is the same that makes people struggle to stop consuming alcohol and tobacco
No, that is not evidence of physical addiction. People struggle to stop gambling. That doesn’t mean gambling is physically addictive.
When I ask for evidence, I am asking for an academic study that agrees with you. That should have been obvious.
Then try stop consuming weed for a year
You, again, could say the same about gambling. I think you aren’t providing any studies because studies would not agree with you.
I met dozens if not hundreds of people who did exactly that. Most indefinitely. Usually without any therapeutic help.
Because it is not physically addictive. It can be psychologically addictive, yes, and some people really do struggle to stop using it. Though most users can quit relatively easy and usually do when they need to be more responsible in their life; ‘grow up’.
Can you find a scientific source supporting your stance? Something like (but rather the opposite of) “Recent data suggest that 30% of those who use marijuana may have some degree of marijuana use disorder.”?
Making/keeping drugs illegal is the biggest funding program for organized crime there ever has been in human history. Every serious criminologist will tell you that the war on drugs has never done anything against drug abuse.
“Keeping murder illegal is the biggest funding program for hitmen there ever has been in human history”
I invite you to educate yourself on the topic instead of spamming nonsense:
https://www.wupr.org/2018/03/03/why-all-drugs-should-be-legal/
https://un-aligned.org/global-issues/five-benefits-of-legalising-drugs/
https://www.listland.com/top-10-reasons-to-legalize-drugs/
https://theweek.com/articles/445005/why-all-drugs-should-legal-yes-even-heroin
Those seem like 100% unbiased sources that don’t totally want you to think what they think
Talking to you and sharing information with you is obviously a waste of time, so I´m out …
It’s still a good thing to offer a voice of reason when someone spouts nonsense. You may not change their mind, but there are always others who read and are on the fence. Offering sources and reasoning can help a great deal, without any visible effect. In this sense, thank you for your service! o7
If you send me news that are as biased as they can possibly be it’s normal
To compare getting high to murdering a person might be the most unfitting and dumb comparison I have heard in my whole life
That would almost make sense, were the majority of murders committed by a hitmen making their living as per the amount of drugs that are sold by gangs.
Most murders are committed without a cash goal in mind, but how many people are supplying cannabis, cocaine or heroin without profit in mind?