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- world@quokk.au
Summary
Ontario Premier Doug Ford announced a 25% surcharge on electricity exports to 1.5 million Americans in Minnesota, New York, and Michigan, effective Monday, in response to Trump’s trade war.
The measure will generate CA$300,000-400,000 daily to support Ontario workers and businesses, adding about CA$100 monthly to affected American bills.
Ford threatened further increases or complete shutoff if the US escalates, despite Trump’s one-month tariff reprieve.
This action supplements Canada’s CA$30 billion in federal retaliatory tariffs on various American products.
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Lol holy shit can you imagine if orangeboi pisses the Canadians off so bad that they shut off power exports?
I’m not gonna lie - I think the brownouts and blackouts that’d probably be caused by that would be a fantastic object lesson to a lot of people.
We have all been hoping the power is turned off. But it looks like there is some pressure from the power people in Canada to not shut of the flow, for both monetary reasons and technical ones.
Yeah - power infra can be tricky, and big regional systems like that tend to get kinda cranky when you just throw the breaker and drop a large fraction of the load without some pretty careful ramping.
American GDP per capita: $85,000
Canadian GDP per capita: $55,000
American Natural Resources per capita: $150,000
Canadian Natural Resources per capita: $1.1 million
And America thinks that they have been getting taken advantage of?
Quite frankly it’s about damn time that Canada started moving more high value processing in-house. America has been treating us as a resource colony to siphon wealth from forever.
Time to sign trade deals with absolutely everyone else who will sign them and see how America likes it when their cheap resources start flowing elsewhere. They can fuck right off if they think they’ll win a trade war.
Krasnov and his cronies made up the lies about being taken advantage of to hide their true motives, driven purely by imperialism. Its a smoke cover.
Good. We Americans need to learn the lesson that, in fact, we are not, have never been, and cannot be individualists. We are dependent on our neighbors: personally, nationally, and internationally.
We also need to learn that we cannot sustain ourselves by constantly taking: taking from each other, taking from nature, and taking from the future generations. We have become a nation of consumers, not citizens, and that is morally wrong. We expect to take with no consequences, and that’s just not how Earth works.
An American with self awareness. So glad I left corporate shithole Reddit for this place.
An American with self awareness.
There’s dozens of us.
This isn’t directed at you specifically but at anyone who comes across these comments, and I’m including this information here because it directly influenced my initial comment above:
I’ve been doing a lot of listening to indigenous worldview and learning of indigenous values. It has really helped me identify where western civilization and culture has been lacking for millennia, but especially over the last few centuries.
I’ve come to understand that the damage starts when we are young when we learn that nature is an “it” without needs and that we cannot rely on or trust other people. We learn to either dominate or make ourselves small in our daily relationships in order to feel safe when we should be seeing the world and one another as gifts to be explored and shared.
It takes some listening and reflecting to figure out that what you’ve been taught is dangerous. I’m currently trying to figure out how I can learn more of these perspectives and also build a stable and trusting community around me.
I think that’s where we need to do the work to try and undo what’s happening both at the national level and in those who are supporting authoritarianism.
I’ll get off my soapbox now, but I wanted to share in case it resonated with anyone else.
Just a guess at previous reading material: “Ishmael” and “Story of B” by Daniel Quinn?
Glad to hear that. Any resources you’d recommend? It sounds like a very level headed way to see things.
I guess Bookchin would be a good start. And then some western-compatible Zen, like Peter Ralston. Be sure to trace that stuff back also through your own culture because none has really forgotten it, it’s just been suppressed, before you go all “grass is greener on the other side” and try, often in vain, to adopt foreign forms while you could just as well realise what you already have and put fuel on that ember.
Couple more titles I would also suggest:
- Ishmael by Daniel Quinn, and the semi-sequel Story of B
- Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
- Tao of Pooh
I’m so glad you asked! It feels good to find kinship and community in this way!
Honestly—this is going to sound really woo-woo, but I’m not trying to—I encourage you to take the journey to find the resources yourself. Trust that your own curiosity will lead you to the right entry point and the right format for your mindset and life experiences, whether it’s book, movie, YouTube short, poem, or audiobook. The right teacher will appear when you ask the right questions. I can recommend the book that started me on this journey, but it may not resonate with you and you could lose interest.
But if you really don’t know where to start, I started with the audiobook version of Braiding Sweetgrass, and paid attention to her lessons on reciprocity and living life directed by the lessons of plants. I then moved on to Restoring the Kinship Worldview, and now I’m listening to Sand Talk. I’m also looking for documentaries.
Good luck on your journey! Let’s see how many others we can invite along with us!
Very well said.
I just can’t believe that I actually agree with something Ford is doing.
This is about the only type of thing that the Fords are actually good at - you can give him credit for it without shame.
And he said if the US retaliated, he will raise it again or full on shut off power if it continues.
Hopefully, this will force Krasnov Trump to put in more effort to stop americans smuggling drugs and guns into Canada.
Yep, I am all for Canada calling a national emergency on all the illegal guns and drugs flowing from the US into Canada. And Canada imposing tarrifs on the US until the US stops the flow of illegal guns into Canada and manages their border. Most of our gun crime is done by illegal US guns.
Hopefully it gets to that point. More than half of the guns that enter Mexico and Canada are from the US. It’s about time America got called out for its cultural shortcoming of valuing gun rights more than its children.
Please cut the electricity off all together. -An American
Should have shut it off entirely
Nah, need to leave room to escalate in case Trump thinks he’s in a position to retaliate.
I was thinking the same at first but it might be best to make them give us more money so we can pay for what they are causing.
This also provides room for further escalation. You don’t want to play every card at once just cause it makes a big splash.
Or just raise the export tariff on electricity by 1% a day. They’ll shut if off themselves when they realize they can’t afford it at a 300% markup.
Hello Canadians,
Is this actually the brother of the mayor of Toronto that was so high he almost started a fight in the council chamber ?
Ho and was called Canadian Trump ?
Yes. You’ve fucked up so hard with electing Trump than even Canuck Trump is against you.
Rob Ford was the maga major, who was also recorded by his crack dealer. Yes, they were brothers (Rob passed away years ago.)
Yes
Is Canadian guy fierie the new pm?
Fuck no. He’s the premier of Ontario
Mark Carney is the new PM
Forgive me I’m American
Ford is the Premier (Governor) of the Ontario province (state), which is like NYS And W. DC put together (and is across the pond from Rochester.) He is considered a dumpie leader, with no real accomplishments, and a silly approach to policy (let’s make sure that beer is affordable)- but generally an improvement on the previous corrupt/spend-thrift centrist party (even though they got some very good things done.)
He also used the conflict with the US to quietly get re-elected a few weeks ago. So he’s playing his political cards well even if he’s a dumbass.
New York is a blue state… Not sure how I feel about this. If they had given New York a pass, it may have been more effective.
This is not how nation to nation dealing works, nor is it how a power grid works.
All americans will feel the pain of this administration. You can not “don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos” out of these consequences.
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The world is not responsible for fixing US politics.
The goal is not to influence red vs blue but to show both our people and yours that we can fight back.
Trump is President in New York just as much as he is President in Kentucky. And as long as New York has not seceded, that will not change, and even if it did, it’s not a free ticket to even having trade relations with the rest of the world.
Maybe consider how far to the center/right democrats actually are and let that inform your decision. Is it possible a blue state recently convened a “safety summit” for their corporate overlords in the wake of a mostly positively-received act of self defense in their state? Pass revoked.
The Canadians are apparently done separating the blues from the reds. Put them all in the dryer and maybe they will start to care about their politics again.
Most economically relevant states are blue, especially on the border.
New York is Trumps home state. Fuck em.
