Ruzzia can’t even handle Ukraine.
They are going to use the us military to do it. pooty runs it now.
You severely underestimate the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
Ukraine has a stronger military compared to Germany, France, Italy, and the United Kingdom combined.
Don’t worry, soon the two largest armies in Europe will merge.
Perhaps do not just compare the number of military personnel. Obviously the number would go up 10x for those counties too during war. Just like it did in Ukraine.
It is not just military personnel. Check the links.
My favorite sources are random, unsourced internet comments, lol.
A bit lazy rn, will probably give sources later.
As a stopgap here is my reddit comment from 9 months ago that has sources
It is 9 months old, misses some things, etc.
I would never underestimate Ukraine. Slava Ukraini!!!
Then you know your comment is nonsense. Ukraine has a stronger military than Germany, France, Italy, and the UK combined. This was the case even at the start of the war. Most of the Russian Armed Forces are not even deployed to Ukraine.
Yes, but the EU countries have much more modern weapons.
No they don’t. See my links. Also read my new comment. Don’t underestimate Russia. It only benefits Russia by making people think the EU has no reason to rearm (not that I mind).
Air superiority is the big one.
In the age of modern SAMs? You need ground based artillery fire such as via HIMARS and M270s to suppress an A2/AD bubble. Problem is? Ukraine is the largest user of both HIMARS and M270s outside of the US with them having more than France and Germany combined. Europe seems weaker there. And the UK sent all of its SPGs to Ukraine and had to beg Sweden to rebuild its fleet. Poland sent half of its SPG fleet to Ukraine. And the EU follows the Princess Diana accords so no cluster which would have been useful here.
Even if the EU stop following the CCM, Russia would simply saturate their airbases with missiles like Iran did to Israel perhaps even using Oreshnik MIRVs. People forget that ballistic missiles are conventional weapons when armed with conventional warheads. Iran was able to get through the most dense air defence in the world with a single barrage of ballistic missiles. Now imagine what Russia can do with a much larger amount of ballistic missiles that are also more modern.
Russia is also holding back its airforce. Missile production also outpaces production. Russia wants to keep a rainy day fund in the event of Western intervention.
Do you have a source for that ? Wasn’t it mostly a large army but with obsolete equipment ? Let alone the whole nuke that France and UK do have
Ignoring Nukes of course.
I have a link above.
I probably will provide my sources later, a bit lazy now.
As a stopgap, here is one of my old Reddit comments on this that includes sources
It is 9 months old, misses some things, etc.
Kinda weird anyone’s worried I’ve seen sims of eurofighters vs Su-57 felons and the eurofighters beat Russias newest stealth fighter with even numbers.
Russias a pure non threat right now militarily all they can really do is threaten Nukes and if they did it’s over for them.
I’d say Both Russia and the US are in major decline right now and we should just give Ukraine enough support to keep embarrassing them. Not sure Im for invading Russia directly unless they attack a Nato member.
Not sure Im for invading Russia directly unless they attack a Nato member.
I’m pretty sure that’s exactly the attitude Russia is counting on. Personally I think it’s time we start treating propaganda and disinformation aimed at destabilizing other countries as literal acts of war on par with physical attacks.
Kinda weird anyone’s worried I’ve seen sims of eurofighters vs Su-57 felons and the eurofighters beat Russias newest stealth fighter with even numbers.
Can you elaborate one what kind of simulation you’ve seen ? I wouldn’t count on streamer playing DCS as an accurate intelligence source. And I wouldn’t assume that when Russia send patrol close to the border of NATO (or NATO does-it close to Russia) they don’t use 100% of their plane abilities, as soon as you turned on that top-secret radar jammer or have used your vectorial thrust in their full extent you can expect other nation to build counter-measures.
Also, even assuming it’s worse than Rafale/Eurofighter, it’s way above Insurgent who mounted a machine gun over a toyota pick-up that western armies are used to fight against. We’re in a political movement where western European public opinion aren’t accepting much soldier coming home in a pinewood box. While it’s a a handful of soldiers per year, mostly special forces, it doesn’t drag too much media attention nor political reaction. But simply shooting a truck convoy or ammunition warehouse, and killing a dozen of 20 years old kids who joined the army to learn a trade and not to see actual combat (Spoiler alert, if you join the army, even as a cook or an accountant, you sign a contract where you accept to die in combat) I can see a huge political shitstorm coming, especially considering the weight of pro-Russian politicians in western Europe (Ms Le Pen, We see you)
You can probably find on of them on YouTube I think it was by grim reapers but yeah they set everything up as accurately as they can and set the ais to the same high level.
Then just watch how it plays out. The meteor missiles on the eurofighter are just much better in truth longer range, faster and they can spam more of them.
The Felon is stealthier but it doesn’t save it.
Simulations using what data? Who conducted them? Under what conditions?
Stop underestimating Russia. It only benefits Russia. Do you want the EU to not rearm giving Russia the advantage?
This feels like when someone involved in the F-16 program stated the MiG-21 would be able to defeat the F-35.
Simulations like Dcs using all known data also they only have about 6 of those planes anyways. Russian equipment is a joke they are using donkeys in Ukraine ffs.
Su-57 is not in DCS. Not without modding done by random people on the internet. LOL.
Lets look at actual data.
The Su-57 is the only fighter jet in service that has DIRCM. This provides it with protection against IR-guided missiles. These would be the main threat to the Su-57. This is because the Su-57 has a very low RCS meaning radar-guided missiles would have a hard time targetting it.
We know the Su-57 has a very low RCS thanks to radar scattering simulations. It is slightly less stealthy compared to an F-35 but still far more stealthier compared to 4th generation aircraft like the Eurofighter Typhoon. An F-35 would only be capable of seeing the Su-57 on its radar 30 miles away. The Su-57 would actually be able to spot the F-35 sooner due to its L-band radar which the F-35 lacks. RAM has no effect against L-band radar. The L-band radar can provide the rough location of the F-35 allowing the Su-57’s X-band radar to use that rough location to guide a concentrated set of beams towards the area to accurately detect the target and guide a missile against it. People like to bring up the Patent but the Patent explicity stated the RCS did not account for RAM.
People like to bring up the lack of an S-duct. The Su-57 solves this problem with the use of a radar blocker.
The Su-57 also has the deepest internal weapons bays out of any fifth generation aircraft. It can carry four air-launched cruise missiles (specifically the Kh-69 and Kh-59MK2).
Su-57 as stated earlier also has L-band radar unlike other fifth generation aircraft which means its radar-guided missiles are actually a threat to stealth aircraft unlike the F-35’s radar-guided missiles.
This is not to say the Su-57 can ace the entire F-35 fleet. The F-35 was made that way on purpose. It is a single-engined aircraft (meaning less capable but cheaper) allowing Western countries to have a shit load of them. The Su-57 is more akin to the F-22. A twin engined high performance but expensive aircraft. Despite this, Russia is actually not that outnumbered in terms of fifth generation aircraft if you do not include the US. Including the US, the West has over a thousand of them compared to the mere dozens Russia has.
Russia also has more than 6. Production peaked at 12 per year with Russia having 21 serial produced aircraft. Russia did open another production facility which will double production to 24 per year.
they are using donkeys in Ukraine ffs.
The German Armed Forces still uses donkeys for transporting equipment in rugged terrain. The German Army even issues an entire handbook for the use of donkeys in combat. The US military also used unpaid donkey slaves in Afghanistan due to the rugged terrain and also used donkeys in Iraq.
Donkeys are being used because of mud season.
The Ukrainians also use animals:
Ukrainians using horse sleds as transport
Ukrainians riding on bicycles and horse carriages
The Felon was bad enough they couldn’t sell it full stop and production is already over at a handful of units. Yes the rcs was estimated but it still lost those sims despite having a much lower rcs than the Typhoon.
Point is it’s probably the worst stealth plane in the world against a fighter like an f-35 or even a Chinese J-20 it wouldn’t even launch a missile.
All Russian hyped tech has proven to be very bad when actually used is the point, they claim to be a superpower but they aren’t and never will be again.
Your simulations are literally random mods for DCS.
Production is not over. Russia plans to produce Su-57Ms this year. Su-57M upgrades the Su-57 with sixth generation technology including AI and drone integration.
Su-57 already received its first order from a foreign country. Algeria has ordered Su-57Es.
By the time Russia makes any meaningful numbers the rest of us will be in Tempests, FCAS and NGAD. I’d be Suprised if they can make any more actually given it’s 14 years old anyway and most people class it as 4.5 gen.
By the time Russia makes any meaningful numbers the rest of us will be in Tempests, FCAS and NGAD.
Why should Russia produce its own NGAD when Su-57M already integrates 6th generation technology including AI and drones to the Su-57?
I’d be Suprised if they can make any more actually given it’s 14 years old anyway
What? You don’t make sense. Su-57 entered production in 2021 and production peaked in 2023 with 12 being produced. Russia started retooling the production facilities for Su-57M production in 2024 which is the reason why only 6 were produced in 2024. Russia constructed a new production facility made entirely for Su-57M production. This means production should at least double to 24 per year. Although it will probably more than double to maybe 36 or more per year as the Su-57s had to share the assembly line with Su-35s in the first production facility.
most people class it as 4.5 gen.
Don’t mind me I’m just in the comments to check out the armchair generals.
Well there is a lot of preparation for something going on.
Russia has been massively expanding its military to the point that they are modernizing T-62s with thermals to give to regular units. This is not because of losses in Ukraine. T-90M losses in Ukraine are low as per Oryx with Russia replacing three years of T-90M losses in 2-3 months in 2024. Russia produced 20-30 T-90Ms per month in 2024 which is 240 to 360 in a year (more tanks than the amount Germany has in its entire military). This likely has doubled or even quadrupled since then.
People severely underestimate the size of Uralvagonzavod. It is the largest tank factory in the world. Here it is superimposed over Washington DC and US tank factories:
Russia had 2.650 T-72B3s and T-72BAs in active service at the start of the war. They have only lost 790 since the start of the war as per Oryx. This leaves them with almost 2,000 T-72B3s and T-72BAs. This combined with old T-72Bs being modernized since the start of the war means Russia likely has well over 2,000 T-72s in active service.
This is already more tanks than the amount the US has in active service (around 1,600, Wikipedia states 2,600 but this is incorrect as the amount of Armoured BCTs got decreased).
Russia had around 300 T-90Ms at the start of 2024. Accounting for losses, they had 500-620 at the end of the year. By the end of this year, they will have 700-920 assuming losses and production stays the same.
Around a thousand T-62s have left storage since the start of the war. Most have been modernized.
This means Russia will have almost 4,000 tanks by the end of this year assuming production of T-90Ms did not increase since 2024 which I doubt.
The T-90M and T-72B3 are comparable to western tanks. The modernized T-62s are nowhere near as good as western tanks but will still be a major threat due to their large numbers.
We also know Russia is massively expanding its army because they have been establishing new units.
Here is just one example, the 44th Army Corps:
Which even western sources noted.
This is a newly formed Army Corps.
Russia even formed a new Motor Rifle Regiment just a week ago:
People forget that most of the Russian Armed Forces is not taking part in the Special Military Operation. The majority of soldiers in Ukraine are from irregular volunteer formations not from regular Russian military units. This is well shown by the losses.
Motorized Rifles: 6,457
VDV: 3,257
Naval Infantry: 1,305
Tank Crew: 1,806
Artillery: 851
Special Forces: 736
Engineering: 291
Navy: 291
VVS: 265
Other: 957
Total: 16,216
Source: MediaZona
This shows that the losses of Russian regulars is actually quite low. Including irregulars, the losses would be almost one hundred thousand as per the same source. This shows that Russia is mostly using irregulars.
Why is Russia trying to expand their military to such a high degree? No clue but something is on Putin’s mind.
Fog of war ? Did you see these ? The total combat losses of the enemy (russia) from (…)
2022 feb 24 to 2025 Mar. 27 https://lemmy.world/post/27444482
personnel 908890
tanks 10438
troop carrying AFV 21701
artillery systems 25265
MLRS 1343
anti aircraft systems 1118
aircrafts 370
helicopters 335
UAV 30926
cruise missiles 3121
boats 28
submarine 1
vehicles & fuel tanks 42070
special equipment 3787
if your sources diverge, please choose only one of these numbers, the best established one, (# of lost tanks ?) with a different source (only one souce) for comparison.
Ukrainian MOD is hardly reliable. Russia doesn’t even have 10K tanks.
MediaZona and Oryx meanwhile require actual evidence for their numbers.
Russian material losses are very well documented so I don’t see them being significantly higher. Oryx states that Russia has lost around 3K tanks. This is far more realistic. These are mostly old tanks which makes sense as the majority of forces in the SMO are irregulars. Less than 800 of those losses are T-72B3s or T-72BAs.
MediaZona’s estimate for Russian losses is 150K including unconfirmed losses using excess male deaths which about 50% higher than the 100K deaths they have confirmed. But these are mostly irregulars (again, losses for professionals are only 16K). Deaths for individual soldiers are also harder to confirm than material losses.
Thanks for your reply - - i wish for Europe to rearm and for the coalition to push russia back. For this to happen, there has to be hope. While it is possible your sources could be better verified, there is no absolute proof of real numbers during war. Let’s keep hope and try to be true.
While it is possible your sources could be better verified, there is no absolute proof of real numbers during war.
This is true although as far as this war is concerned, I believe that some numbers are more realistic than others.
MediaZona and Oryx …
These are the sources you gave in this thread … i can’t find anything wrong about those now … but since you’ve been banned from this community, maybe someone else will discuss it eventually.
