• SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    My point is:

    "Shit like this is why I don’t get (some of) the LGBTQ community’s fascination with communism and tankies.

    They have proven themselves just as anti-LGBTQ as the fascists."

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      1 year ago

      Okay, and what does that have to do with fact China and the USSR aren’t/weren’t communist being convenient?

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        1 year ago

        I just think it’s convenient that communism gets to live in this little “no true scotsman/communism” bubble where if a state adopts communism and fails, it immedietly gets labeled as “not a real communist” state.

        That way, instead of looking if there’s something wrong with communism itself, it can get written off as the fault of the state attempting it.

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          It’s not really convenient. It’s that communism is an ideal that’s literally impossible for large groups of humans to obtain.

          There has never been a communist state because there can’t be with people involved.

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          1 year ago

          state adopts communism

          But no state has actually adopted communism. Communism as a basis of an economy requires communal ownership of all goods; not state ownership, but communal. Which country has ever done that?

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            1 year ago

            The state can also control everything. In which case, China, Vietnam and Cuba.

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                  1 year ago

                  No it cannot, that’s not communism. China is as communist as North Korea is democratic. Just because a country calls itself something does not make it that thing.

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                    Countries can have multiple different systems in place. China for example, is an authoritarian communist state.

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              None of them even tried to adopt communism, they all tried to adopt authoritarianism, using the word communism to garner support to get elected. Communism is a class-free society with communal ownership, no country has ever tried to be that.