I’ve never understood the hate for Epic Games Store. Without Epic cross platform gaming would have never happened on consoles.
Yeah dude is a twat and has some shitty opinions but the same people who bitch about him will whine and moan about Gabe Newell having yachts.
I really just don’t understand it.
If you don’t want anyone to make money from games then that leaves no money left to develop games.
In fact, epic charges less than half of the listing fee for devs and publishers than any other service that lists games. (They lose money doing this, but they still do it).
Just really odd behavior in my opinion. People find anything to divide themselves over.
The store behaves like malware, with stuff running as root in the background all the time mining your personal information, and constantly keeps re-enabling ad popups even when I disable them. At least the uninstaller works.
I run it through Heroic and it doesn’t have root access at all. In fact my entire gaming profile doesn’t have root access to the rest of the machine which is recommended for anything gaming related even steam.
If you’re talking about on Windows then you’re already running Malware in the form of Windows OS, to be honest. But since you said root I’m assuming you mean on Linux.
That sounds like a failing on Epic users to me. I ran Heroic on windows before I made the switch to linux. The fact that Epic gives shit away for free without even requiring their launcher is pretty insane if you think about it. A lot of the games can run DRM-free from Epic as well (the original Horizon: Zero Dawn for example).
Yea, Tim Sweeney is from the old school tech cadre that believes that taking a business loss to keep the ultra-nerds happy can buy more public/community goodwill than traditional advertising.
He’s also from old school tech in that he’s an unapologetic asshole who thinks he’s god’s gift to earth.
I’m still gonna take pennies out of his pocket by taking as many free games as I can. At least most of the people involved in making games aren’t assholes.
It’s because epic store launched with “exclusive access” being a “perk” to attract users. I fucking hate that shit in the TV/Movie space so I decided to not support it.
Also, using that as an opening move suggested that they’d enshitify as soon as they have the market power to do so.
Plus their anti-linux stance. Not just not supporting the shift to linux but specifically against it by removing support that was previously there. And they killed off the UT franchise to be sure it wouldn’t compete with Fortnite.
Even the reduced commission rate just seems like a play to build market share to be abused.
Meanwhile, the biggest negative I’ve seen from valve is cosmetic lootboxes that you can ignore by not playing their games or not buying lootboxes if you do.
It supporting Gaben into billionairehood isn’t great but he’s one of the few that makes things better by still being around (because who knows if the next one(s) in control will sell out or not). Plus, with him already being a billionaire, MS can’t change his course by throwing money at him.
Last I checked while it was available it’s normally tightly integrated with the Epic Games Store (for things like assets I think?) And that’s not on Linux so I have no clue how it works.
Steam also provides a lot more than just a store front for devs at that price, including customer support, multiplayer servers, anticheat, and forums and other social features.
Epic also launched their store without a shopping cart (you had to buy everything as individual transactions) and put new, unreleased games up for sale at up to 50% off without permission from the devs during their first sales event, amongst other things. Like buying multiplatform games to ensure that they only launched on the Epic store. Nobody liked it when Ubisoft, EA, Blizzard, or Rockstar tried that exclusivity crap with their own launchers/storefronts, and they don’t like that Epic does it either.
Dude is a twat and his opinions unfortunately drive Epic’s policies. People hated Steam when it first launched as well, but Valve as a company has consistently worked to put customer value and rights as a selling point of their products, and people appreciate them for that. Beyond Steam as a sales platform, they’ve been a driving force in other parts of the industry such as VR and Linux gaming.
put new, unreleased games up for sale at up to 50% off without permission from the devs during their first sales event
Holy shit I did not know that that definitely deserves some serious hate in that case.
The exclusivity stuff I get the hate for a little but PS and Xbox and Nintendo did the same thing for a couple decades but it still doesn’t make it right that they did either. But I do get it a bit.
I do prefer Steam and love what they do for Linux the steam deck is one of my favorite toys. But if I see something for cheaper on Epic than on steam I’ll always go for the cheaper option but some people act like epic doesn’t even exist as an option which I get a little more now after seeing some of these things you mentioned the forcing devs games into sales without permission is super fucked up.
When it comes to Epic, a quote from the great Shigeru Miyamoto, creator of many beloved Nintendo icons, comes to mind: “A delayed game is eventually good. A rushed game is bad forever.” First impressions are incredibly important and trust is a hell of a lot harder to gain than to lose, and Epic not only made a bad first impression but they also kept doing things that people generally disliked.
IIRC, the sale on unreleased games was only some big AAA titles, but not only was it scummy, it also was clearly a part of a larger strategy that Epic was using to try to force people to use their store rather than actively compete with Steam. They had nowhere near the number of features Steam has, the store was difficult and frustrating to use, and the launcher was performance hungry as well as acting similar to malware - it checks through your internet browser’s history for one thing (or used to, I haven’t touched it since it launched).
People disliked exclusives even when they were relegated only to consoles, and the lack of exclusivity was a selling point of PC gaming for a long time (until every publisher under the sun tried to wall off their titles behind their own launchers and stores, and people hated that as well). But the big sin Epic made was when they bought out devs who had plans to release on Steam and demanded that they pull their games off of Steam - sometimes for a period of a year, sometimes permanently. These were games that people had paid for, either through preorders or as backers for Kickstarter funding or something.
And then you get into some of the more…beliefs and values side of the system. Where Valve has made a stand against NFT and AI games to general applause, Epic has embraced them and the store has filled with all the things that gamers expected to see as a result of those: asset flips and scams. They’re already an issue on Steam, but keeping NFTs and AI off the platform has mitigated some of it by eliminating some of the tools that make it even easier to make them than it ever was before. I believe they also got in some hot water with devs around the same time that Unity did for some policy change that negatively affected people using Unreal as their game engine (that they later backed down on).
Yes and I have said the same thing in other comments before.
What about my comments made you think I don’t like or support steam?
I said that people complain about the epic games guy but also whine and moan about Gabe having yachts. Then you said they are being consistent and I said well when they recommend to use other millionaire/billionaires platforms that is not being consistent that is hating on a specific platform for the same things other platforms do (have rich people run them)
I’m confused about what you are defending or against here.
You can see in my comment history I have said the same thing you just said before to people anti steam. I love steam, and what it does for Linux.
But that doesn’t mean I’m against epic either.
Do you like cross platform gaming? Thank epic.
Hating on one but defending the other is exactly what I said doesn’t make any sense. Every successful gaming company is going to have millionaires. So when I said, people hate on epic but then complain that Gabe has yachts but still tell people to use steam over epic that doesn’t make any sense and is the opposite of consistent.
Gamers are extremely toxic nowadays. it used to be less public. now they just rage at everything constantly. and in certain circles, its expected behavior.
lemmy gamers tend to be extremely anti-Epic Games even though there’s some really good deals on there.
I’ve never understood the hate for Epic Games Store. Without Epic cross platform gaming would have never happened on consoles.
Yeah dude is a twat and has some shitty opinions but the same people who bitch about him will whine and moan about Gabe Newell having yachts.
I really just don’t understand it.
If you don’t want anyone to make money from games then that leaves no money left to develop games.
In fact, epic charges less than half of the listing fee for devs and publishers than any other service that lists games. (They lose money doing this, but they still do it).
Just really odd behavior in my opinion. People find anything to divide themselves over.
The store behaves like malware, with stuff running as root in the background all the time mining your personal information, and constantly keeps re-enabling ad popups even when I disable them. At least the uninstaller works.
I run it through Heroic and it doesn’t have root access at all. In fact my entire gaming profile doesn’t have root access to the rest of the machine which is recommended for anything gaming related even steam.
If you’re talking about on Windows then you’re already running Malware in the form of Windows OS, to be honest. But since you said root I’m assuming you mean on Linux.
Sure, but you realize how niche that is right? Like Heroic is literally less than .1% of Epic users.
That sounds like a failing on Epic users to me. I ran Heroic on windows before I made the switch to linux. The fact that Epic gives shit away for free without even requiring their launcher is pretty insane if you think about it. A lot of the games can run DRM-free from Epic as well (the original Horizon: Zero Dawn for example).
Yea, Tim Sweeney is from the old school tech cadre that believes that taking a business loss to keep the ultra-nerds happy can buy more public/community goodwill than traditional advertising.
He’s also from old school tech in that he’s an unapologetic asshole who thinks he’s god’s gift to earth.
I’m still gonna take pennies out of his pocket by taking as many free games as I can. At least most of the people involved in making games aren’t assholes.
That’s fair but anyone can run it that way without it having root access, even on Windows.
It’s because epic store launched with “exclusive access” being a “perk” to attract users. I fucking hate that shit in the TV/Movie space so I decided to not support it.
Also, using that as an opening move suggested that they’d enshitify as soon as they have the market power to do so.
Plus their anti-linux stance. Not just not supporting the shift to linux but specifically against it by removing support that was previously there. And they killed off the UT franchise to be sure it wouldn’t compete with Fortnite.
Even the reduced commission rate just seems like a play to build market share to be abused.
Meanwhile, the biggest negative I’ve seen from valve is cosmetic lootboxes that you can ignore by not playing their games or not buying lootboxes if you do.
It supporting Gaben into billionairehood isn’t great but he’s one of the few that makes things better by still being around (because who knows if the next one(s) in control will sell out or not). Plus, with him already being a billionaire, MS can’t change his course by throwing money at him.
unreal engine is on linux and has been for a while AFAIK.
Last I checked while it was available it’s normally tightly integrated with the Epic Games Store (for things like assets I think?) And that’s not on Linux so I have no clue how it works.
right, but it’s not a cut and dry company wide “stance”.
I’m not pro epic, Sweeny made some shitty statements, etc.
Steam also provides a lot more than just a store front for devs at that price, including customer support, multiplayer servers, anticheat, and forums and other social features.
Epic also launched their store without a shopping cart (you had to buy everything as individual transactions) and put new, unreleased games up for sale at up to 50% off without permission from the devs during their first sales event, amongst other things. Like buying multiplatform games to ensure that they only launched on the Epic store. Nobody liked it when Ubisoft, EA, Blizzard, or Rockstar tried that exclusivity crap with their own launchers/storefronts, and they don’t like that Epic does it either.
Dude is a twat and his opinions unfortunately drive Epic’s policies. People hated Steam when it first launched as well, but Valve as a company has consistently worked to put customer value and rights as a selling point of their products, and people appreciate them for that. Beyond Steam as a sales platform, they’ve been a driving force in other parts of the industry such as VR and Linux gaming.
Holy shit I did not know that that definitely deserves some serious hate in that case.
The exclusivity stuff I get the hate for a little but PS and Xbox and Nintendo did the same thing for a couple decades but it still doesn’t make it right that they did either. But I do get it a bit.
I do prefer Steam and love what they do for Linux the steam deck is one of my favorite toys. But if I see something for cheaper on Epic than on steam I’ll always go for the cheaper option but some people act like epic doesn’t even exist as an option which I get a little more now after seeing some of these things you mentioned the forcing devs games into sales without permission is super fucked up.
When it comes to Epic, a quote from the great Shigeru Miyamoto, creator of many beloved Nintendo icons, comes to mind: “A delayed game is eventually good. A rushed game is bad forever.” First impressions are incredibly important and trust is a hell of a lot harder to gain than to lose, and Epic not only made a bad first impression but they also kept doing things that people generally disliked.
IIRC, the sale on unreleased games was only some big AAA titles, but not only was it scummy, it also was clearly a part of a larger strategy that Epic was using to try to force people to use their store rather than actively compete with Steam. They had nowhere near the number of features Steam has, the store was difficult and frustrating to use, and the launcher was performance hungry as well as acting similar to malware - it checks through your internet browser’s history for one thing (or used to, I haven’t touched it since it launched).
People disliked exclusives even when they were relegated only to consoles, and the lack of exclusivity was a selling point of PC gaming for a long time (until every publisher under the sun tried to wall off their titles behind their own launchers and stores, and people hated that as well). But the big sin Epic made was when they bought out devs who had plans to release on Steam and demanded that they pull their games off of Steam - sometimes for a period of a year, sometimes permanently. These were games that people had paid for, either through preorders or as backers for Kickstarter funding or something.
And then you get into some of the more…beliefs and values side of the system. Where Valve has made a stand against NFT and AI games to general applause, Epic has embraced them and the store has filled with all the things that gamers expected to see as a result of those: asset flips and scams. They’re already an issue on Steam, but keeping NFTs and AI off the platform has mitigated some of it by eliminating some of the tools that make it even easier to make them than it ever was before. I believe they also got in some hot water with devs around the same time that Unity did for some policy change that negatively affected people using Unreal as their game engine (that they later backed down on).
But Epic’s whole pitch was that they take a much smaller cut
Yeah, but it’s not a 1 to 1 comparison like people like to make it out to be. Valve takes a higher percentage but offers more for that higher price.
they are being fair and consistent.
Odd then that most of them that hate on epic still recommend to use Steam instead.
Some say GOG, which is also owned by millionaires.
I’m failing to see the consistency.
You like gaming on linux through Proton layer?
Thank Valve for funding its development.
Yes and I have said the same thing in other comments before.
What about my comments made you think I don’t like or support steam?
I said that people complain about the epic games guy but also whine and moan about Gabe having yachts. Then you said they are being consistent and I said well when they recommend to use other millionaire/billionaires platforms that is not being consistent that is hating on a specific platform for the same things other platforms do (have rich people run them)
I’m confused about what you are defending or against here.
You can see in my comment history I have said the same thing you just said before to people anti steam. I love steam, and what it does for Linux.
But that doesn’t mean I’m against epic either.
Do you like cross platform gaming? Thank epic.
Hating on one but defending the other is exactly what I said doesn’t make any sense. Every successful gaming company is going to have millionaires. So when I said, people hate on epic but then complain that Gabe has yachts but still tell people to use steam over epic that doesn’t make any sense and is the opposite of consistent.
Are you sure those are same people having all these stances simultaneously?
Gamers are extremely toxic nowadays. it used to be less public. now they just rage at everything constantly. and in certain circles, its expected behavior.
lemmy gamers tend to be extremely anti-Epic Games even though there’s some really good deals on there.