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The first [of 3 catalysts], were the deaths of five adult males and one adult female - for reasons unknown - in 2014, which could have disrupted social networks and weakened social ties across the subgroups
They assassinated Archmonke Ferdinand!
They took him out
Literally the only reason I remember this person’s name.
If I move, this 👉👉 could die!
Was it also an anarchist group?
I learned about the civil war that Jane Goodall was witness to. I don’t look at chimps the same anymore. Orangutans are where it’s at.
I wonder what fascinated alien scientists would write about us
That for all our so-called advances, in the end we’re still a lot more like the other apes and other monkeys (for we are both), than we commonly like to perceive.
And Goodall of course already observed this stuff many decades ago (regarding chimps).
Goodall observed it and commented in it, but this group specifically studied the behavior.
Oh, I thought it was more of a breaking-news thing based on recent, ongoing observations? (if not, then that’s what I get for not reading the damn article)
I remember not so long ago, the fact being presented that only rats and humans killed for unnecessary reasons. For example, outside of the broad, known idea that species could kill as part of a territorial / protection / etc thing. But based on what Goodall observed, some chimps seemed to have no particular reason to kill some others of their species. It was more of a ‘I just don’t like you’ kind of thing, IIRC.
I don’t know where you saw that fact being presented, but surplus killing has long been documented in many species, including those who don’t make caches for winter.
Circling back to this:
I don’t know where you saw that fact being presented
It’s not something I read yesterday, but something I’ve encountered upon most life scenarios, upon all my readings and personal experience over the years. So again-- it’s absolutely true in general, far as I know.
Indeed, right in the article you linked, reasons and causes were specifically mentioned, so it wasn’t really a case of pointing killing, far as I know.
That said, I do suspect that a predator’s instincts to kill can indeed go on ‘automatic’ at times. Easy enough to see in domestic cats upon zillions of examples, but I think it can also be argued that keeping one’s predatory skills sharp is generally super-important for predators. A little but like how given the opportunity, we naked apes love to spend loads of time on flying, killing, driving simulations, etc.
So, far as I know? What I said originally still commonly holds, with some caveats.
Tbh, I used that phrasing specifically because you were snippy about someone else making a claim based on their own experience and I was trying to prod you about the evidence you’re using.
When people kill each other “for no reason,” there’s often still a reason (though not an excuse)- territory in the case of gang or murder of romantic partners, protection or survivor’s benefits for your own family for soldiers killing in war, or people accidentally letting a killer instinct loose during play for people who get into brawls or similar. Even horrific crimes like genocide are committed out of a dual protective of kin/and aggressive of outsiders instinct.
The Wikipedia lists possible reasons, but we don’t actually know why animals do this when it’s actively harmful to them yet.
I don’t see how that supports that humans are one of a few species that kills for no reason, if we know that other animals kill in scenarios where it hurts them and we don’t actually commonly kill each other for no reason.
Tbh, I used that phrasing specifically because you were snippy about someone else making a claim based on their own experience and I was trying to prod you about the evidence you’re using.
Good point. Yeah, and I was kinda rushing through my replies in general at that point, much of that due to… well.
When people kill each other “for no reason,” there’s often still a reason (though not an excuse)- territory in the case of gang or murder of romantic partners…
Sure, I get it. Thing is, we’re talking about species-wide behaviors. Not personal vendettas, and so forth. We naked apes are absolutely captured upon that shizzle, without question.
What I said still holds perfectly true. And–
if we know that other animals kill in scenarios where it hurts them and we don’t actually commonly kill each other for no reason.
Like I said above, animals can be ‘excessive killers’ for a variety of known, documented reasons. Not to mention, we naked apes absolutely DO commonly kill each other for bullshit reasons, unless perhaps you’re a NAZI (etc) apologist…? In which case it’s VASTLY more terrible, egregious, and anti-life as we know it.
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Recent, ongoing observations of the past 12 years…
So… not so “recent,” and data that’s already been out there for a while? Implying that this latest thing likely isn’t the first nibble…?
The Roger Waters album ‘Amused to Death’ hypotheses this.
I realized I hate apes and monkeys.
Then I realize I just hate all primates.
Monkey see, monkey do
is it just me or is this article… qualitatively sub-par? grammatical errors and this “German Primate Institute in Germany”, i mean… come on. you’re supposed to be the bbc
i always thought this did mean more than just big, black cock
And yet, when I tell people that I don’t like primates (aside from orangutans), somehow they don’t understand why that might be.
I think it’s because most people don’t like or dislike animals based on how violent they are.
It’s not just how violent they are. I dislike them because they generally have similar qualities to humans, including the violence.
tarsiers and lemurs, slow lorises too.
I don’t like chimps, but bonobos and gorillas are also very chill
Again? This was well documented by Jane Goodall in her books from 50 years ago.
Sandel and his colleagues said their findings encourage people to rethink what they know of human conflict and warfare.
Not this annoying bullshit every time. I blame this stupid ass establishment needing to justify funding by circling back everything for our convenience. Can we not appreciate nature for what it is for once?
This is mentioned in other articles. There’s a difference between documenting an observation of something that you saw versus studying and researching that behavior.
Also, not everything is political.
Who’s talking about other articles? Who’s talking about politics?
Not sure what’s more wtf about Uganda. This, or Uganda threatening to severe all diplomatic ties with Turkye if they don’t give them $1 billion dollars and a wife to the country’s leader.
Uganda has always been a weird country. I remember the old Idi Amin days. More recently, Uganda became known for making homosexuality a capital offense, after being influenced by an American PsychoPreacher who was bankrolled by Hobby Lobby and Chick-fil-A.
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