Israeli air strike hits the al-Ahli hospital in Gaza City where thousands are seeking safety and treatment.
  • Veltoss@lemmy.world
    11319·
    1 year ago

    Gotta love how they told people to go south then bombed them there, as well as hospitals. And they can just say every target, no matter how many civilians die, was a “Hamas target” and it’s “Hamas’ responsibility to protect civilians” while they indiscriminately bomb these civilians.

    Crazy that more people aren’t speaking up against this.

    • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
      519·
      1 year ago

      They told people to evacuate and then bombed the evacuation routes.

      Israeli spokespersons keep saying they’re fighting Nazis, but I only see Nazis on their side of this.

    • xuxebiko@kbin.social
      437·
      1 year ago

      Once Palestinians starteing evacuating North Gaza, Israel bombed the humanitarian corridor that they’d declared as safe.

      Russia did the same to Ukrainians last year and EU & NATO & UN supported Ukraine. Now they support Israel.

    • dependencyInjection@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      233·
      1 year ago

      I swear to God, I can’t name another country that takes such little criticism ever in the MSM other than Israel.

      A fucking hospital ffs.

    • AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world
      162·
      1 year ago

      For many it’s the sunk cost fallacy.

      They’ve rhetorically, unreservedly supported Israel for half a century, and they will not be reexamining those intransigent beliefs today, thank you very much.

      "The Doctor: How much blood will spill until everybody does what they’re always going to have to do from the very beginning – sit down and talk! Listen to me, listen. I just – I just want you to think. Do you know what thinking is? It’s just a fancy word for changing your mind.

      Bonnie: I will not change my mind.

      The Doctor: Then you will die stupid."

      -Steven Moffat, excerpt from Doctor Who

  • LollerCorleone@kbin.social
    10015·
    1 year ago

    If it was any other West Asian country doing this, the entire West would be denouncing them and taking action. But because its Israel doing it, this is fine.

    • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
      524·
      1 year ago

      Because there are consequences of you go against the grain. It’s all about money…always. Palestinians have little to no money and influence.

      • thoro@lemmy.ml
        323·
        1 year ago

        It’s sad that this type of comment can be and is often spun as “antisemitism”

        • CoderKat@lemm.eeEnglish
          13·
          1 year ago

          Agreed. It’s also frustrating that the labeling of anything anti-Zionist as anti-Semitism just gives actual anti-Semites the opportunity to claim their actual anti-Semitism is anything but.

        • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
          108·
          1 year ago

          I will never fault someone for standing up for their people. In fact, one has to admire the fact that this person put their money (and reputation) where their mouth is. We strongly disagree on the matter, but antisemitism has nothing to do with it.

          A question, for me, is where is the same pressure from other players? Where are the mega rich Arabs and Muslims pulling their funding because somebody didn’t put out a pro-Palestine message. Step up!

            • modifier@lemmy.ca
              2·
              1 year ago

              (although we should be careful not to be tricked into thinking all militants, including those giving orders, are religious extremists - reportedly Hamas’ campaign on the 7th was ordered to take hostages and not kill civilians, and that the IDF basically implemented the Hannibal Doctrine against it’s own civilians leading to significant friendly fire casualties [even as reported by an Israeli who was held hostage and later interviewed on Israeli news]; you can see how murky the waters get in a propaganda war).

              Can you share some of the reporting behind this use of ‘reportedly’. I have never seen this reported before though I am admittedly not reading everything.

                • modifier@lemmy.ca
                  21·
                  1 year ago

                  It’s difficult to tell if you believe it or not because you’ve referenced it within a larger point about how much confusion there is, but it seems like you believe it enough to repeat it. If so, what about the article makes you believe it or not?

            • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
              51·
              1 year ago

              Arabs think of palestians as white trash cousins you don’t want at your wedding…

              I have no idea if this is true or not but it seems like a gross generalization.

              Also, US keeping them on a short lease with arms sales

              Irrelevant. I’m talking about individuals not governments.

    • xuxebiko@kbin.social
      388·
      1 year ago

      the toxic sludge of racism + Islamophobia = support and empowerment for Israel to ethnically cleanse Palestine of Palestinians.

      • glimse@lemmy.world
        265·
        1 year ago

        The other, possibly larger, part of it is the fear of being labeled antisemitic. Antisemitism is a huge problem all over the world but Jews aren’t to blame for what’s going on - Zionist are.

        • ALQ@lemmy.world
          113·
          1 year ago

          Yep. And yet Israel is giving the rest of the world more excuses for antisemitism. Who is even winning this “war,” other than Bibi and his toadies?

          • glimse@lemmy.world
            13·
            1 year ago

            No one. Jews everywhere will take a reputation hit from the public at large because Bibi pretends to speak for them.

            I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood. I worked at a Jewish family business. I have lots of Jewish friends. And I’ve yet to meet a Jew who likes the guy…even the ones who support an Israeli state.

            • ALQ@lemmy.world
              10·
              1 year ago

              Agreed. I’m Jewish and have never supported Israel, but my parents do and even they hate him.

              • glimse@lemmy.world
                81·
                1 year ago

                I think I support the idea of Israel because they’ve historically been a target of genocide but I recognize that it’s not my land being given away to make it. It’s the perpetual expansion if Israel that bothers me.

                Zionists originally wanted a homeland and they got it. Now, Zionists want an empire. I’m pretty sure Palestine won’t exist after this conflict. You give a mouse a cookie…

        • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
          314·
          1 year ago

          Settlers made up a lie about Hamas beheading 40 babies and tricked Biden into saying he saw pictures.

          It was later corrected: he didn’t see any pictures because there are no pictures.

        • Nix@merv.newsEnglish
          14·
          1 year ago

          A fake story used as propaganda to manufacture consent for the genocide of Palestinians. Mainstream media and celebrities were repeating it blindly a week ago saying 40 beheaded babies were found

    • dontcarebear @lemmy.world
      533·
      1 year ago

      Well, Israel is bound by international law and is a (flawed) democracy. Doesn’t excuse them from wrongdoing though, but it makes things more gray than black.

      The rest of the nation’s in the middle-east (or West Asia) are authoritarian nations that brutalize the population on occasion. Jordan in black September springs to mind as the Palestinians tried to overthrow the Jordanian rule and conquer it.

      So, yeah, it is complicated.

      • novibe@lemmy.mlEnglish
        272·
        1 year ago

        They should’ve peacefully marched and protested!

        …. Like they did in 2018 and got brutally shot down by the dozens of thousands, with thousands of dead and more than 10 times that maimed for life with their knees destroyed, intentionally, by IDF soldiers as they laughed? When they marched peacefully towards the walls and barriers, making their concerns heard in protests and absolutely nothing got better and no one cared?

        In any case, we all know everything we’ve ever achieved was done through peaceful protest. Like the civil rights movement! MLK made some speeches and the white bourgeoisie felt bad and changed all the laws.

        Don’t look into how MLK was murdered and there was mass protest and revolt with plenty of violence before any changes ever happened…

      • Crikeste@lemm.ee
        132·
        1 year ago

        Don’t you see! You can challenge your oppressors with peace and forgiveness!

        Dorky ass motherfuckers who wouldn’t last a single day under the Israeli foot.

      • conditional_soup@lemm.ee
        1110·
        1 year ago

        This is a bullshit excuse for violence against innocent bystanders. You can (and Israel supporters DO) apply this exact same argument to Israel: “And what exactly SHOULD they do about HAMAS, Mr. Smarty-pants, just let terrorists run pel mel, unpunished?”

        I don’t have an affirmative answer; if I did I’d be happy to collect my Nobel peace prize. What I do have is the understanding that “but you just don’t understand, it’s justified when WE do it” is a giant crock of shit, and it’s the lie that every oppressor through the ages (including Israel) has told themselves.

        Edit: Other countries need to step up their game. It’s plain to see what’s happening in Palestine, even with the internet and electricity blackouts imposed there, so one can only imagine how much worse it really is. The US and others need to step up and denounce this shit, tell Israel to go to the bargaining table for real or they’re off the teat for good.

            • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
              48·
              1 year ago

              No, seriously. If you don’t have an answer then you have to defer to the people struggling on the ground. You don’t get to moralize to them when they’re fighting for their lives against genocide.

    • Deanne@iusearchlinux.fyi
      436·
      1 year ago

      i’ve given up caring about it edit: i should’ve clarified myself. i do wish the best for people that are affected by this “war” (idk what to call it) but i’ve simply given up caring about who wins or what happens on any war or attack. in the end it’s people dying and that makes me sad so i simply try not to care about anything like this

      • Cyclohexane@lemmy.ml
        191·
        1 year ago

        The 2.5 million in Gaza sadly don’t have this privilege and can’t stop caring.

          • Cyclohexane@lemmy.ml
            104·
            1 year ago

            The only threat the people in Israel are under right now is their own state waging war.

            Most Israelis are living their normal lives still. Parties and clubs still happened over the weekend without issue. It’s been 9 days of 2.5 million Gaza-ians not having a drop of water, an ounce of food, or a minute of electricity imported.

          • masquenox@lemmy.ml
            51·
            1 year ago

            9 million in Israel under constant rocket fire.

            Sorry - please remind me… what are they doing in Palestine again?

  • OurToothbrush@lemmy.mlM
    6321·
    1 year ago

    Some nerd reported the post suggesting that maybe it was a Palestinian air strike. LMAO

    • ApexHunter@lemmy.ml
      289·
      1 year ago

      Israel is claiming that some rockets launched by Hamas towards Israel went off course and hit the hospital.

      I remember Russia staging a “Ukrainian missle attack”, but they were so bad at it that the damage was on the side of buildings facing away from Ukraine. Should be pretty easy to check that here too…

      • jonne@infosec.pub
        197·
        1 year ago

        The rockets Hamas fires can barely punch a hole in a wall, and this explosion basically leveled the whole hospital. It’s just a ridiculous claim.

        • Happenchance@lemmy.world
          84·
          1 year ago

          The scale of boom the IDF is dropping is an order of magnitude larger than Hamas missiles.

          It’s insane to think that one (or even more than one) missile could destroy a hospital.

          • Apollo@sh.itjust.works
            53·
            1 year ago

            Did you see the OH bombing aftermath? Low explosives can still pack a hefty punch, and the hospital is by no means “destroyed”.

      • diegeticscream[all]🔻@lemmygrad.ml
        341·
        1 year ago

        Hamas has never shown the capacity to level a full building. This war would be much shorter if they could.

        Every successful rocket strike of theirs is a simple smoking hole.

        The zionist state, on the other hand, has bombed this exact hospital before, has extensively bragged about their bombing capability, and cannot stop lying.

        This is less complicated than you’re making it out to be.

                • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee
                  27·
                  1 year ago

                  I don’t doubt that. This is not me defending Israel. This is me trying to figure out what’s actually happening.

                • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee
                  14·
                  1 year ago

                  My stance on the situation briefly: State of Israel shouldn’t have been put there in the first place. Zionists are religious extremists and I’m against them. Palestinians on the other hand had their land forcibly taken from them which I don’t agree with, and they have every right to be pissed about it. Hamas on the other hand is religious extremst group aswell and they’re indiscriminately murdering innocent civilians (as are the jewish extremists aswell) so I’m against them too. The only people I’m in favour here of are the millions of innocent civilians on the both sides who’d just want to be treated fairly and live peacefully.

                  So I’m biased yeah, but it’s a bit more nuanced than that.

          • SexMachineStalin [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            23·
            1 year ago

            Ah yes because a 1,000kg bomb that took over a thousand lives in one go “might not” level an entire building. And despite reddit-logo actually celebrating, it could have been an accident.

            PIGPOOPBALLS PIGPOOPBALLS PIGPOOPBALLS PIGPOOPBALLS PIGPOOPBALLS PIGPOOPBALLS PIGPOOPBALLS

              • o_d [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
                81·
                1 year ago

                Lmao. The “I didn’t see it so it didn’t happen” defence. Take a time out and you can have a juice box 👶🧃

              • commiewithoutorgans [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                6·
                1 year ago

                Yeah the “field of bodies” video is pretty easy to find even if you’re not looking for it. I don’t blame you for not wanting to see the shit, It’s terrible. But don’t come with some fake claim that only cars can be found. “Leveled” is a word used to mean “made rubble” sometimes and “made to be as useless and dangerous as rubble” others. This is probably the latter time, but I haven’t seen videos showing the remains of the building honestly. I don’t search for this shit tho

      • FreakingSpy [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        342·
        1 year ago

        Adding to the dogpile here: IDF and Israel Twitter profiles posted videos that “proved” this, then people quoted old tweets showing that video was from the last year

  • ☭ Blursty ☭@lemmygrad.ml
    424·
    1 year ago

    Hamas not killing more than 50 people with rockets in the last 20 years but had this hospital flattening rocket all along which they only decided to use tonight, it then blew up a hospital that just happened to be the one the Israelis told to evacuate before they bombed it. Yeah?

  • wildeaboutoskar@beehaw.org
    151·
    1 year ago

    I don’t understand a lot about this conflict but surely there can be no justification for this. Those poor people