Hey everyone. If you want to post links or discuss the Reddit blackout, please localize it to this thread in order to keep things tidy!

  • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    196
    ·
    1 year ago

    Reddit has been going through some issues for many on Monday, with the outage happening the same day as thousands of subreddits going dark to protest the site’s new API pricing terms.

    According to Reddit, the blackout is responsible for the problems. “A significant number of subreddits shifting to private caused some expected stability issues, and we’ve been working on resolving the anticipated issue,” spokesperson Tim Rathschmidt tells The Verge.

    • setsneedtofeed@beehaw.org
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      30
      ·
      1 year ago

      When Reddit forcibly opens everything back up:

      knock knock

      “Who’s there?”

      ”Mods. Hired mods.”

      “Hired mods?”

        • mizmoose@beehaw.org
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          11
          ·
          1 year ago

          Reddit has an annual “moderator summit”, a rah! rah! yay for moderators! event for moderators, mostly of large or super large subreddits.

          At last year’s summit, Spez gave his ‘keynote’ talk where among other things he claimed that they were researching ways to pay moderators for their work, by giving them a cut of … something. It was all sort of wonky and nebulous and likely just something he thought of that morning in the shower.

        • setsneedtofeed@beehaw.org
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          11
          ·
          1 year ago

          If the volunteer mods hold their ground and force Reddit corporate to oust them, Reddit would need to step in to fill the void.

          • AggressivelyPassive@feddit.de
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            11
            ·
            1 year ago

            They’ll find some people.

            The reality is, not having (good enough) mods will take a while to really hurt the bottom line. Subs will slowly deteriorate.

            But I’m 100% sure, within a few weeks you can establish a new order of more servile mods.

            • TechyDad@beehaw.org
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              10
              ·
              1 year ago

              People on Reddit complain about the mods enough as it is. (And I include myself in that. I’ve had some less than stellar mod encounters in the past.) However, if Reddit were to force out existing mods and replace them with mods willing to toe the company line (and possibly ban people for mentioning the blackout, complaining about Reddit, or mentioning alternatives), it would just result in more user dissatisfaction.

              Reddit won’t go out overnight. There are too many people who post there. However, this could turn into a snowball effect. Rebelling mods are replaced by bootlickers. Dissent is crushed in order to make it seem like everything is hunky dory before the IPO. Power users flee to alternatives like Lemmy. Slowly, normal users hear that some of their favorite content is on this new service and sign up. Reddit usage drops little by little until it’s limping around as a shell of its former self.

    • Crotaro@beehaw.org
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      25
      ·
      1 year ago

      Whatever causes the website to have trouble, I’m all for it, right now.

      I already wondered if I got lightning-banned for sending too many API requests in a short time, when I used a script to auto-edit all my comments and text-posts.

    • Luvs2Spuj@beehaw.org
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      10
      ·
      1 year ago

      A significant number. Fantastic. I’m not sure I believe the stability issues, I’m just a a tin foil hat kind of guy though. I guess it’s possible.

      • democracy1984@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        Reddit didn’t design their systems around needing to deal with a huge number of subs going private all at the same time. It’s not surprising that it caused a short outage.

    • LemmyAtem@beehaw.org
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      10
      ·
      1 year ago

      A significant number of subreddits shifting to private caused some expected stability issues, and we’ve been working on resolving the anticipated issue.

      My hypothesis is that it’s probably because so much of Reddit posting is automated by their own bot network now that they DDOS’d themselves trying to post to subs that are suddenly locked.

    • chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      1 year ago

      Ah, “expected”, such a wonderful word! They expected for their infrastructure to explode, just according to keikaku

  • jboyens@beehaw.org
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    119
    ·
    1 year ago

    Seems like all the traffic had to go somewhere…

    Lots of love for the Beehaw and other Lemmy admins this morning. It’s never fun suddenly having to 10x scale. Although it sounds like everybody else on the internet is getting a heavy traffic load today too.

    I think the most fun, unintended consequence is that there were some assumptions baked into the Reddit codebase and the large number of Private subreddits has caused massive disruption and outages for them. While others have speculated it might be a tactic to hamper the affects of the protest, it sure seems real plausible to have not anticipated 6K subreddits going private overnight.

    • randomposter@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      43
      ·
      1 year ago

      As an engineer, this sounds most plausible - they had proactive detection and resolution in place against various attacks and system failures, which got triggered due to the massive drop in public subreddits/users/activity, and made everything worse. Honestly, this isn’t a scenario their engineers could have easily predicted…

      • mizmoose@beehaw.org
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        47
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        As a former sysadmin and a [still, for the moment] reddit moderator, my bet is that most of the subreddits that switched to private forgot to (or didn’t know to) go into “new reddit” and switch off the thing that allows people to request being added to the now-private subreddit.

        A HUGE influx of people pounding on the “let me in, add me to the sub” button, which sends modmail, may have overloaded the whole modmail system, which in turn sometimes goes kaflooey for no apparent reason (my theory is: it gets bored).

        • setsneedtofeed@beehaw.org
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          20
          ·
          1 year ago

          I see this as a positive aspect of the protest.

          I am also amused that random people are pounding on the door for access, as if they think approved submitters are having a private tea party inside.

          • mizmoose@beehaw.org
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            14
            ·
            1 year ago

            Clearly you’re not someone who would have to go back and clear out 259238 modmail messages and make sure that none of them are legit “I have a problem” notes.

            None of the subreddits I mod are that huge but just the thought of more than 100 at once makes me wanna cry.

            • Gork@beehaw.org
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              6
              ·
              1 year ago

              At this point, they should just leave the 259,238 modmail messages for the admins to deal with. Let them sort through all that since this is all their doing.

            • setsneedtofeed@beehaw.org
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              1 year ago

              Oh clearly I’m not. I just don’t understand the thinking of people demanding access. It’s like the kind of person who pounds on the door of a closed restaurant because they can see the employees inside.

              • mizmoose@beehaw.org
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                3
                ·
                1 year ago

                People are selfish. People subconsciously think the rules apply to other people.

                People who demand to come into closed stores and restaurants are not the exception. What’s even crazier is when you turn one away, anyone who has seen the door open even though the person was told no and didn’t get inside suddenly decides that maybe if THEY pound on the door, they’ll magically get access!

              • surrendertogravity@beehaw.org
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                1 year ago

                Oh man, my partner made a somewhat popular weapon calculator spreadsheet for Elden Ring, and the number of random Google Sheets edit requests they received was… quite a lot. (the instructions were right there for people to make a copy of the sheet to edit themselves! that’s how all of these sheets calculators work!) 🤦