AccidentalRenaissance has no active moderators due to Reddit’s unprecedented API changes, and has thus been privated to prevent vandalism.
Resignation letters:
Openminded_Skeptic - https://imgur.com/a/WwzQcac
VoltasPistol - https://imgur.com/a/lnHSM4n
We welcome you to join us in our new homes:
https://kbin.social/m/AccidentalRenaissance
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/c/accidentalrenaissance
Thank you for all your support!
Original post from r/ModCoord
For everyone who told us that they’d never taken a single art class and they could mod this place better with their eyes closed… Well, consider this a golden opportunity! It’s going to be tricky doing it with your eyes closed ever since Reddit’s painfully botched rollout of “disability friendly” mod tools in their disasterpiece of a mobile app has caused nothing but crashes and bugs, but you seemed so confident in the many (many, many, many) times you’ve expressed this opinion that we can only assume you know something about modding that we don’t!
Is such a fun line.
test comment.
edit of test comment
edit from culprit browser
edit with only one add-on deactivatedYou ok there bud?
Oh my god that was annoying! But yes. Now, I am okay.
Firefox wasn’t letting me comment, reply to comments, or edit my comments. I even dragged my home instance’s moderator into helping me debug which I feel terrible about. (Especially because I originally described it as a federation error, only later realizing that the glitch was happening on reddthat as well as federated instances.)
After various debugging attempts, he told me to deactivate my extensions… which I hadn’t tried for some reason… and it worked instantly. My Bionic Reader Firefox extension in particular turned out being the source of the problem. And now I feel like I’ve wasted my mod’s time trying to debug something that he had no control over, but other than that? I’m okay.
Thanks for asking.
I mean… Idk why… but I love it… imagining you pulling your hair out trying to troubleshoot this… haha…
Been there done that…
Cheers mate!
Damn, that’s nice - what a cool mod
That’s fine. Bound to happen sooner or later with other users anyway. Next time when the mod debug a similar issue, they’ll remember to ask the user to deactivate extensions first.
Give him some money
He’s problem solving, so he looks fine.
Exactly this, yeah. Doing a little debugging.
Your user name would have been a fun notification to receive while troubleshooting ahaaha
I don’t think there’s a lot of blind people going to r/AccidentalRenaissance anyway.
Actually, we did have a small contingent of visually impaired people who enjoyed the subreddit, even if they had to zoom way in to see the details. Most people who are legally blind still have some vision and they still love pleasing arrangements of pixels.
That’s why we’re trying to make the Lemmy and kbin instances more accessible by adding image transcriptions where possible, a paragraph description explaining the details in the photo so mostly-blind people can enjoy them more.
Also, like, half the mod team is some flavor of disabled, and us cripples gotta stick together.
That contingent included me so I am happy to see you here :)
I’m still learning transcription so feedback for what works and what doesn’t will be helpful!
This is a masterpiece! Now I miss r/murdered_by_words!
Oh please please please. And the companion suicide and kamikaze subs too. All absolute gems.
This is the sort of action I love to see. Reddit thinks they own the moderators who are working for free. They want slaves. Fuck them.
From the very start, ever subreddit should have challenged Reddit and called their bluff. Go ahead, replace the mods for thousands of subreddits. If a few dozen are changed, that’s no problem. Whatever. But thousands? Good luck.
The whole protest seemed so half-hearted from the start. You don’t go on strike with a set end-date in mind. You go on strike indefinitely until demands are met or a satisfactory compromise is made.
I will say that the short blackout was enough to get me onto the Fediverse. I didn’t even use the apps that would be affected by the API shutdown, so I never would have noticed the controversy without the blackout.
But once the blackout was announced, I recognized how far reddit was willing to go in service of harvesting its users’ data. And after that point, I just didn’t feel good on the site anymore. (Granted, I first created an account on Mastodon because the people calling for blackouts never mentioned Lemmy. But still!)
Between Facebook’s notification system repeatedly failing to direct me to comment replies, Twitter DDoSing itself, and reddit turning into the Eye of Sauron (which, again, I would not have even noticed happening were it not for the short protest), it seemed like the perfect time to exit the sinking ship of corporate social media.
Meaning they did something. Maybe they didn’t avert the reddit apocalypse, but they still did something.
When the blackouts started no one had a clue which of the alternatives would stand out as a viable option.
True, but it got people (eg me) started on actually looking for alternatives.
Not being very tech savvy, the reddit summaries post backout helped alot too.
Same. Investigated why there was a blackout, found out Reddit was screwing over RIF in a big way and felt disgusted enough to look for Reddit alternatives. Here we are!
There was never a chance for compromise. This was about money; a premature, over blown, knee jerk, pie-in-the-sky hope to cash in on free expert input based on decades of good will interactions performed for free by people who cared about their subject matter.
I deleted every comment I’d ever made and left pretty much immediately. They can eat their own shit.
Don’t forget to go back a week out and verify that your deleted comments didn’t mysteriously reappear. Seems like that’s been happening a lot lately, according to various reports. (I haven’t really had the heart to go delete all of my own comments. Yet.)
Get your account banned, boom, comments gone. If you want to cause additional pain GDPR request on your banned account every 30 days. They still have to comply with requests as long as they hold your data. Make them work even though you don’t use the site.
I heard one guy had manually deleted their comments only to find sometime later they were restored.
On a couple I saw my name deleted but not the comment. I assumed it was sluggishness or something. I didn’t have much to delete even though I’d been there 12? years so I’m not going to… oh, also deleted account(s) so guess whatever they do is in their hands now anyway.
I was saying this from day one, we aren’t teachers or nurses or someone who may feel they owe society some information about their strike.
People literally could not promise to stay away from a website for a week. The strike should have been indefinite it was our chance to try and save it. Now it’s lost to me.
I never wanted to save Reddit in the first place. I was glad that spez finally screwed it up badly enough to prompt people to leave in large numbers, and I was glad that the protest was too half-hearted to restore the status quo. Fuck centralised, corporate-owned social media.
I’ve gone full soapbox preacher on federation of late, but it almost feels like trying to explain the internet to someone without a computer in 1998. It’s amazing the amount of people who have said stuff like
“Yeah but YouTube can’t just do whatever they want on the platform…”
Hopefully Threads will be the wake up call for the masses.
Because they can’t bear to touch grass for more than 2 days and can’t live without their power trip
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Lemmy must use free moderators as well?
Lemmy doesn’t have a CEO who expects them to make him money.
That’s fair. I was also thinking how you can potentially whip up your own instance if you become unhappy oth your current one. Or if you don’t like the moderation of a community you can start using a similar community on a different instance. There is a lot more freedom of choice here!
If an instance owner could think of imaginative ways of funding or if Lemmy adds things like purchasable awards for funding (I know… I can hear everyone’s eyes roll collectively) then Instances could even pay moderators if they really wanted to.
Lemmy can be whatever it wants to be.
I donate to the open source hosting that’s hosting this lemmy instance fediservices.nz seems like a good model for now
Many admins accept donations. I’m not sure about mods
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Oh god, I hope this is satire, the last thing Lemmy needs is more confused new-age Redditors.
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You don’t really get it, do you? Most of the mods in their respective communities cared about fostering a thriving community for their interests. Yes, power hungry mods who only do it out of power tripping exist, but those mods are the ones who are likely staying. The passionate ones, the ones who made the site, are leaving.
So now when everyone’s favorite subreddit gets installed with a bunch of new power-hungry mods, things aren’t going to be quality. There will be tons of shit flinging, tons of splitting the userbase and the general quality of the community will cease existing.
Free labor is replaceable. But passionate people are not.
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Let a pathetic jannie ban you right here. You have violated Rule 1 multiple times now.
Just another dramatard on the fediverse
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Brother, you’re trolling while talking Chan - maybe hop offline for a bit.
Oh no, not the heckin replaceable free labor
You’re allowed to cuss on here.
Shit fuck piss tit.
See? Nobody cares.
Well fuck my shit, what will the advertisers think?
Cocksucker, motherfucker, bitch. George Carlin would be so happy!
turns out they’re irreplaceable ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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You know, for replaceable free labor, /r/interestingasfuck has seen none of its free labor replaced for over 3 weeks now.
looks like this user is replaceable
Argh, why make 2 communities? >_< Pick one damnit :D
I’m going to the blahaj one
Anyway well done for recognizing the ship is rapidly disintegrating.
I got a response from them on Reddit:
We didn’t know which platform would take off, and we were nervous that because Kbin and Lemmy are so similar one platform might shut down in some sort of consolidation down the road. Also when we made them, each had very serious drawbacks for our media (Lemmy needs a lot of clicking to access the media, while kbin turned any media that wasn’t in a 3:4 aspect ratio into a funhouse mirror.) So each of us took a community and somewhere down the line we’ll re-evaluate.
That makes a lot of sense.
I was tempted to go with kbin when I switched, because it just looks cleaner and better designed. I’m not sure why kbin isn’t more popular, but I’m sticking with the pack right now on lemmy.
Personally I started with kbin and think the dev of it is great. But it’s simply not as far along IMO. At least when I was using it, it was critically missing the ability to collapse comments. That single feature is huuuuge for me and probably the most prominent thing that got me to switch to Lemmy.
It also doesn’t have an API yet, which means that mobile apps aren’t likely to target it. Though I’ve personally been using a browser cause I haven’t found any apps to be good enough yet.
Also, the notifications of kbin felt very buggy to me. I missed a lot of notifications and even when they worked, they don’t show the notification or even what the thread title is, so you have to click each one individually. IIRC, clicking the notification also didn’t work if your comment wasn’t on the first page of comments.
It’s still lacking the collapse a comment ability! I am like when are they going to fix that?
But it’s a much much newer instance. We’ll see, but I think it has potential.
I like how Lemmy looks simpler and more lightweight. Also Kbin is trying to do 2 things instead of focusing on one thing and I don’t think that’s a good idea.
From what I understand, /kbin is not as mature. It’s still an early beta. I’m not sure who designed Lemmy’s ui but it could use some spit polish.
I was thinking the same thing, it’s counterintuitive to the whole point of Lemmy lol
It’s kind of a massive part of Lemmys design, so I would disagree.
We’re going to end up with duplicate instances all over the place. That’s just the reality of things. Some of them will become the more popular versions and others will be abandoned, but there’s little point to complaining about it.
Yeah I understand that duplicates will pop up from different people, just found it weird that they would create 2 separate ones themselves. It’s hard to find which one to join when both are similar levels of active and I don’t love the idea of having to subscribe to both and go to both if I want to see what’s being posted. I assumed it was unfamiliarity with how the instances worked but didn’t think about seeing if kbin or lemmy would end up being more popular, that does makes sense.
What’s wrong with subscribing to both? Then you’d have both in your feed; you wouldn’t have to go anywhere.
But yeah we also wanted to make sure to get the name in a couple of places. Didn’t expect our resignation letters & whatnot to go a bit more public and get influxes of users and all.
I’m assuming seeing duplicate posts from the two all the time would be the reason why you wouldn’t sub to both. Unless there’s like some extensions or something that stop that kinda thing? I’m fairly new to this kind of thing so educate me if I’m wrong
They aren’t connected except that the same mods run them. We don’t, or haven’t so far, posted duplicate posts. So that shouldn’t be an issue.
And then we’re also paying attention and when it seems appropriate, we will likely close down one and redirect traffic to the one we keep up.
it’s counterintuitive to the whole point of Lemmy lol
Actually no, it is not. Having multiple smaller communities works to the benefit of users in the Fediverse. One server might be down, and people in those communities can find another community on a different instance to continue discussion until the community of their instance choice comes back up.
By that logic it makes more sense to have one community mirrored over multiple instances. If one instance goes down the others just take over. No hassle for the users.
I do think it would be beneficial if there was a way to have “super communities” or “sub-federation,” where communities with similar topics can opt in to the feature. Thus if a person subscribes to one of the communities with that feature, other communities with similar topics will appear in that thread.
Ultimately, this would retain decentralization while increasing community discovery, which is a benefit to end-users.
Yeah people have thrown around the idea of eventually doing something like that. So like you’d subscribe to “AccidentalRenaissance” and get all communities with that name as one feed or whatever.
Hope that happens.
But the point is to have different people in charge in case anyone gets full of themselves. See: reddit
It’s a good idea actually and I could see maybe having some different mods and/or handing over one to someone else at some point.
Yeah I think people are trying to force/recreate Reddit in its entirety on a single platform, and that’s not going to happen.
And I didn’t think of it, but yeah having one to check out when the other one’s down is good.
It’s “broken by design.”
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Given that one of those resignations talks about Beehaw like it’s a separate platform entirely, I think it’s just some good old fashioned misunderstanding. Looks like they’ve set up separate user accounts on Lemmy and Kbin too.
Given that one of those resignations talks about Beehaw like it’s a separate platform entirely
They might as well be, honestly.
Now setting up separate user accounts isn’t a terrible idea…
Don’t think you should divine the community though, right?
Yeah, kind of a strange choice to split like that. Are they intending to start crossposting to both communities?
Maybe they didn’t realize lemmy and kbin can all visit the same community?
I subscribed yesterday. Will have to check which one it is!
This is most likely it. They sound like 2 different sites before you get here and realize how interconnected everything is.
There’s a quote from them further up someone posted. They just weren’t 100% sold on any site because they said neither quite fit what they wanted. So they started up two to see how they develop and which they prefer down the line.
I understand their feelings about that, but that seems like a dumb idea in the long one.
They’re dividing up their user base, and they’re going to have different conversations on each of those two servers that they’ll have to hop back and forth on if they want to get the whole experience.
Well, more power to them. I’ve subbed to the Lemmy version at least.
Why not both? I like twice the content.
It’s not going to be twice the content though. It’s either going to be split between the two, or, most likely, just seeing double-posts as one is crossposted to the other
I just checked out KBin for the first time. Yes there’s a lot of duplicated communities on there but the site itself has quite a nice UI. Like a more updated version of Lemmy keeping the simpl9icity but not going balls-to-the-wall modern like Reddit.
I’ve signed up and think I’ll be using both. I don’t see a problem with this. Sometimes I get a bit bored of Lemmy’s stories not updating so I’ll switch to KBin and see what’s going on.
It’s no different than when I used to get bored of Reddit and would check out BBC News or YouTube for stuff.
I like choice.
Nobody said anything about choice. But you can use your kbin account to read lemmy communities through kbin, and you can use lemmy account to read kbin communities through lemmy. There’s just no reason to have 2 communities.
We weren’t sure which to go with; also… there was a whole thing with the creator of the OG sub; we were a bit concerned that they would create those and just sit on them, so we wanted to go ahead and have at least one or two places for AR.
So we did one on lemmy and one on kbin (I think I put one on like… squabbles too?) (I should check that…) and will kinda go with whichever takes off.
I’m sure eventually there’ll be a means to merge them at the client end.
The problem is that if you have two communities with exactly the same purpose, then that will encourage people to duplicate posts to both. This splits up discussions into two separate comment threads. Also, merging these communities at the client end will cause you to see any duplicated posts twice 😅
I mean it was like that on Reddit too. I would see the same articles posted on r/gaming, r/gamers, r/truegamers, etc. It’s not really a problem unique to Lemmy/Kbin
True. But if the client can see the duplicate and merge the post plus the comments from both posts into one on the user’s device, it would be transparent to the user. We’re just not there yet.
I think the same would also be useful where the same article (post) is made on multiple subs (communities / magazines) within a certain time window. It’s annoying seeing the same post multiple times in /all.
Yeah, I really hate the fragmentation because of that. Reddit admittedly had this problem too, but it didn’t feel like the same degree.
I think it also is a barrier to growing a community because it can sometimes take some time for it to be clear which community is the biggest one. To avoid duplication, I usually only join the biggest community of each “type” and it’s not always obvious which one that is.
Duplicate posts can be filtered at the client level too.
Oh damn, that’s us!!
We’d wondered where the nearly 1.9k subscribers came from completely out of nowhere!
So, yeah, a lot of people are hating on us for creating one of Kbin and one on Lemmy, but we had our reasons: Basically, neither handled images very well and we saw that these two services did basically the same thing and that typically leads to the weaker project getting cancelled down the line, so we decided our safest bet was just to make one of each, just in case. Better safe than sorry.
We might consolidate them later, but for now just pick whichever you like best. :)
Just want to say, “it’s been swell, but the swelling’s gone down” is a fantastic turn of phrase that I will be stealing
We’d wondered where the nearly 1.9k subscribers came from completely out of nowhere!
LoL, that’s really great! 🤣🤣🤣
Basically, neither handled images very well
You can always use these to upload image
- https://imgur.io/
- https://postimages.org/
- https://imgbox.com/
- https://imgbb.com/
- https://www.imagebam.com/
On lemmy you can use this code to display image
Are you going to merge/consolidate the topics/posts from each of the two servers with each other, or just keep two sets of posts/topics, one on each server?
The good thing is that on lemmy it looks like you can delete communities.
That’s pretty daring of them to do, they’re risking their severance package by so publicly making their former employer look so bad. Oh wait…
Feel kind of honored. One of the posts that the founding mod pulled over was a pic of my dog.
Is that a magic helmet?
Second question: Does your dog also have a sword?
Third question: Does your dog want to kill the wabbit?
I actually thought of you when I posted it bc I remember when you (or your spouse?) posted it to the OG sub and whatnot! I was like… should I try to get in touch first to see if it’s ok to post it, and then I forgot to do that and posted it anyway lol.
Haha. All good. Here’s the original resolution file if you want it.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SH6RVYVxKPphOCfWYQJjtUlxQv5_E8vy/view?usp=drivesdk
DM us if you’re ever in the San Francisco area and want to grab a drink!
Long Boi. What a photogenic dog.
That’s a really good shot!
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone
I love this bot
Good bot!
Google human!
It also works in the /c/ and /m/ formats for the web version of Lemmy (not sure if kbin has the same)
FWIW, in Memmy, the latter is recognized as a URL and clickable, but takes me to a “page not found” page on my home server. The former is not clickable.
I’ve updated my comment to specify that it works on the web version. I’m sure each app will have a different implementation of linking to communities.
very good bot
Those links don’t work on connect app :(
I wish every single subreddit would follow suit.
Maybe not every single one
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Okay, those are some mods I can respect.
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I wish your life was better so you didn’t feel compelled to be a jerk to strangers on the internet.
I hope things get better for you.
~ spez, ca. 2023
Imagine disrespecting the people who work their asses off to give you a clean space without expecting anything in return.
For those of you browsing from lemmy.world here is how to access it and stay logged in:
https://lemmy.world/c/accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone
if you do !accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone it works with any instance
That’s the only one that works.
Its the proper way to tag a community!
! For communities
@ for users iirc
After a long scroll, finally found a comment with a proper link
If you drop the first half, the web version and most apps will open the community in your instance.
404 not found.
This is going well!
Oh boy lol. Lemmys growing pains. Perhaps it’s because you’re using kbin? I don’t know, but I can confirm that the link I posted works great on Lemmy web and some android apps with proper link handling.
For kbin is /m/accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone
That’s not a url. You should try using the search option and put that in there instead.
It acts as a URL in most mobile apps and the website.
Ok, it acts like a URL, but it is not a URL. It does not have the proper URL prefix.
A 404 error is what you get with a bad URL.
You won’t get a 404 if you’re using the webapp, or on most mobile apps. For instance, I’m on Voyager and the subreddit link works fine upon clicking. No need to copy and paste it to the search.
I’m aware. I’m just repeating the error message they said they got, which was a 404.
MVP
“You are not logged in”
Thanks! Kind of annoying that this is required just now, either there’s an easier way that I’m just too dumb to see - or I imagine this process will be made easier in future (hopefully near) :D
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I imagine some sort of autocomplete feature could be made which provides a dropdown menu of communities and instances based on what you type after “/c/”.
It exists! It gets triggered when you start typing exclamation mark followed by a few characters. A long popup list appeared with communities your home instant knows of.
And this is with the stock web ui. If you’re using an app then it’s up to the developer of that app.
Why not trigger it when someone types “/c/”. Using an exclamation mark isn’t intuitive.
/c/ (and kbin’s /m/) is an implementation detail, the “real” community names all start with !
well, technically they’re just fancy user accounts which means they start with @, but that’s even more obscure an implementation detail, especially with lemmy allowing both a user and community to have the same name
Is blahaj.zone getting hugged to death? Link don’t work
Security measures due to vulnerability.
It’s clear that people prefer Lemmy over Kbin, for some reason. Over 2k users in the Lemmy community vs. only 900 on Kbin.
Welcome to LemmyVille it’s nice here we have
- dietary advice
- antique meme
- screenshot
- bean
I love accidental renaissance one of my favourite subs x
Also, infinite layers of meta commentary and criticism of the meta and criticism of that criticism… I’m home
Thank you!
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😂 You all are funny
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Comment came in loud and clear
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Copy, you’re 10-2.
7-3s
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ENOTTY, not a typewriter
Test received!
Great! I wonder if Reddit will forcibly reopen r/AccidentalRenaissance like they said in their press release during the blackout.
