• SteefLem@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      Doesnt matter if its false flag or not. Pooptin is gonna use it as ammo against Ukraine.

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        Or against the 20-ish percent who didn’t vote for Putin.

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        7 months ago

        Or against the 20-ish percent who didn’t vote for Putin.

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      The best way to tell if it’s a false flag operation is to see how much this event will be spread in the Russian media.

      They’ve lost tons of equipment and had bombings deep in Russian territory, mostly affecting their oil production which could be perceived locally as Russian military inferiority.

      So when this starts being on blast for every channel and frequency - you can be sure it’s a false flag.

      If they bury this like any other Russian military failing, then it’s probably real.

      Edit: ISIS claims responsibility, but Russia is still trying to blame Ukraine, which is kind of a false flag?

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        So when this starts being on blast for every channel and frequency - you can be sure it’s a false flag.

        Maybe, maybe not.

        Regardless of who is actually responsible, and regardless of who claims responsibility, it could be used as propaganda against pretty much anyone the Kremlin is grumpy about.

        Navalney supporters or Ukraine are some pretty obvious potential scapegoats.

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      ah yes, gay = bad, how progressive of you

      edit: would you call Putin Ukrainian as means of insulting him?

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          at the time I commented it had like 14 upvotes and 0 downvotes, now it’s at 15 upvotes and 14 downvotes, my comment got 2 downvotes like 5 minutes after posting it, but now it also has 5 upvotes.

          Looks like it just took some time for the better part of lemmy to get to this post.

    • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
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      Why doesn’t it seem like a false-flag? Who could benefit from this, politically, more than Putin? Remember the Reichstag fire.

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          It does if you can convince them that only giving you more power will keep them safe, unfortunately

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            One minor detail, his legitimacy was not waivering at all. Its as stupid as claiming that bush did 9/11.

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              9/11 did give Bush a pretext for the Patriot Act though, and his own presidency was not in question at the time.

              To be clear I don’t think that Bush did 9/11 and don’t know who did this shooting. Just pointing out that Putin absolutely can benefit from it politically.

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      7 months ago

      Smells like a false flag to me. Why shoot up a public concert hall if your enemy is Putin and not the general public. Makes no sense.

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        Why shoot up a public concert hall if your enemy is Putin and not the general public.

        Why do any extremists - or russia, the US or israel for that matter - target violence towards civilians?

        Maybe they believe the cause is worth it, the tactical calculus still comes out in their favour, or they just hate all russians? General destabilization? Forcing the state to devote more resources to protecting soft civilian infrastructure. Making people feel unsafe. Inspiring similar atrocities. The logic of tactically deploying murder isn’t always clear to an outsider, especially before we have a firm idea who did this.

        I strongly doubt this is an “honest-to-goodness sign of revolution”. Shooting concert-goers is obviously not that. But I don’t think it’s logically sound to rule out an anti-putin motivation just because civilians were killed.

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        Because a couple dudes with small arms can’t be effective by attacking the Russian military or police forces head-on. Instead they choose to attack soft targets and maximize the social disruption and impact by terrorizing citizens.

        I would normally say it seems like a convenient false flag if they could pin it on Ukraine or something, but it sounds like several sources have confirmed ISIS is claiming responsibility.