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Also 1L water ~ 1kg
Just came here to nit-pick that the metric prefix for 103 is k and not K.
Case in point: Platinum melts around 2kK.
BUT THIS IS HOW WE ALWAYS DID IT
Ah yes, the reason I am teaching myself as an American adult the metric system
We were taught it in my rural red state elementary school in the '80s. Maybe because metrification seemed like a more real possibility, I guess.
A lot of thing’s seemed more possible in the 80’s
Should be pretty easy to learn, right? I mean, that’s the whole point.
except for intuition formed from a lifetime of daily usage
I’m an American and every last bit of my shop is metric. It is the superior unit of measurement in every aspect. I don’t bother with imperial at all. If I have to list dimensions online in imperial, just multiply mm x 25.4 which gives me inches. That’s as far as Ill go into inches and feet.
I’ve said this before and Ill say it again, the US was robbed of the superior unit of measurement.
What temperature is the shop kept at?
Fahrenheit. Switching to Kelvin soon, tho. For shop temp accuracy!
Thank you for your efforts!
Uh, I’m pretty sure you divide mm/25.4 to get inches.
Yes. I misspoke. Millimeters ÷ 25.4= inches. Inches x 25.4 = mm.
Sorry. I just thought it was funny in the context of a post about how it’s hard to remember all the conversions for imperial.
So, from my perspective, your experience gives me the exact opposite view. The fact is: no one is stopping us. Anyone in American can use metric any time they want. We use Imperial a significant amount of time because it’s useful. Feet and inches are related to body parts. Kilometers are too small for our giant country. I design surgical tools, and I use metric. I design buildings, and I use feet and inches.
I don’t really think it’s slowing us down to have more than one system.
Kilometers are too small for our giant country.
Kilometers aren’t the biggest measurement in metric though.
It goes: Kilometer x1000= Megameter x1000= Gigameter x1000= Terameter. A Terameter is about 1012 meter
Just as it goes smaller like: Milimeter /1000= Micrometer /1000= Nanometer /1000= Picometer
And even those are still not the biggest or smallest measurements possible in metric.
That’s true in theory, but if you talk about megameters to a European you’ll get very weird looks.
An engineer will understand what you mean, but still laugh at you.
But it’s a non-issue for anything on earth, where you’ll have 40.000 kilometers at most. Not a lot of time is spent talking about x thousand kilometer.
Any notion that a kilometer is “too small” is laughable.
I don’t really think it’s slowing us down to have more than one system
Say that to the Mars Climate Orbiter
You still have to know which system you’re using, obviously.
Which would not ever be an issue if you knobheads just switched to metric.
Kilometers are too small for our giant country.
Fortunately for NASA, space is actually smaller than the USA. Otherwise km would be totally unworkable.
I’m guessing that you have to use meters instead of yards when designing tall buildings? Yards would be too small for most skyscrapers.
The reasonable reaction I’ve come to expect from Lemmy users.
Could it possibly be because your argument is shit?
Lol. Dude, with all due respect, did you skip breakfast or something? First, body parts? Take a drink of water, please. You’re dehydrated. Also, although I agree imperial isn’t completely useless, one of its strengths is not because the size of the contental United States. It’s not like miles and kilometers are orders of magnitude different when measuring an identical distance. Lightyears and astronomical units are terrible units to use to describe a drive from LA to NYC for this reason, but is it really that big if a deal between choosing miles and kilometers? I don’t see it that way.
The main reason why I use metric with my work is because I commonly deal in millimeters / sub-inches. If I used inches, everything would be shitty fractions and I hate fractions. To me, metric is just cleaner when increasing or decreasing magnitudes. Which I generally stay within cm and mm.
Within industrial applications, such a building a structure in the US, yeah, it makes sense to stick ti imperial because it is indeed the national unit of measurement. But outside that reason, I don’t find much of a benefit. Coincidentally, I moved off grid 3 weeks ago and am building a cabin way out in the woods. Because its just me and I plan to stay here until my end, I’ll definitely use metric. If I was just developing a place I intended to flip, I’d use Imperial singularly because I’m in the US.
Ad hominim attacks. The bread and butter of Lemmy.
I don’t think you read my response. I wasn’t attacking you at all. I’m not one of those mean shits on here. I certainly meant no aggression.
I like metric weight for cooking (on the rare occasion I make something that involves careful measuring, and for my bread making) and MILES can fuck right off, km are fine for measuring long distance. And fine with meters, cm for short distance.
But I do like how feet are 12 inches, because 12 is so evenly divisible, and like that a gallon splits in half and half again and again until you get cups. It’s like RAM,
Cup is 8 oz
Pint is 16 oz
Quart is 32 oz
Half Gallon is 64 oz
Gallon is 128 oz.
That doubling sequence is satisfying.
Your 16 oz pints are a pathetic 455ml. Europeans have 500ml.
Meanwhile a true UK pint is 568ml.
You can see why we cling to Imperialism.
specifically woodworking I like doing in inches, because 12. For the tasks I often do in the wood shop, fractional inches work well.
I’m confortable working in both systems, but I build furniture in inches.
In metric, the 12 really isn’t important anymore which kinda invalidates that. We normally go to the nearest mm or, if needed, some fraction of that (not normally needed in my life at least)
It annoys me so much that a small decision could have had me growing up with metric.
Damn Tucker Carlson must’ve stumbled upon this post. Someone should tell him that Russians use metric.
One of the many failures of American public education system that I was subjected to. It’s speaks volumes about how normalized exceptionalism is in this country.
“Oh, the measurement standard the rest of the world uses? You don’t need to learn that. You’re an American, so people from other countries will just accomodate you because they want to be like us.”
I was taught the metric system in American elementary school.
I don’t doubt it. My elementary education out in East Bumfuck, New Hampshire in the late 80s/early 90s wasn’t exactly top notch. My third grade teacher taught us that the appendix was located in the leg and banned certain books and items from the classroom for being “satanic”.
Funny, by stereotype the North is supposed to be ahead of the South, yet I got a decent education in North Carolina in the 90’s and early 00’s.
Rural areas of New England are pretty ass-backwards. If you want a decent education, you basically need to live in the Boston Metro area or the seacoast.
One of the most annoying things in the world are American websites that claim to sell internationally but they only offer USD and all provided measurements are in American imperial.
Right up there with online stores that only have boxes for “state” and “zip code” even if the selected country doesn’t use those.
Americans are really falling behind these day in all the metrics 😂
We actually use both. Imperial is easier to break into 3rds, but can still break down into other bases easily without any irrational numbers. Metric is more useful for science, but my mom who does landscaping prefers Imperial for her designs because it’s not stuck in base-10.
Europeans are the ones who refuse to learn more than one system lol
Being purposefully stupid and arrogant about it is the single most American thing.
“1 brick equals about 1kg” - Plain. Boring. No pizazz.
“1 brick equals about 37 baby chicks.” - Fun. Whimsical. Oozing pizazz.
Ah, you need The Reg online standards converter
So, a 1kg brick = 0.1149 Adult Badger
I did not know this page. Thanks for the link. This is so 100% The Register! Shoutout to the team from the “guy with the open university style beard” ;-)
Growing up in the Metric environment, I only have to deal with the Imperial system very rarely before the Internet. But later, I found out there’s a whole country that only use Imperial, and that they almost always demand you convert your system to the one they understand, and almost never bothered with Metric when they write anything. But then again, I found out that they also use units that are totally novel. I just have to accept that this is the character of them, and continue using Metric.
It’s because they believe they’re so exceptional that everything that works for the rest of the world doesn’t work for them.
That includes not only the metric system but also things like healthcare, student debt and gun control.
There is no country that only uses Imperial. Americans use grams for weed. And technically what the US uses is called US Customary. Some units are different from Imperial. Funny thing is both Imperial and US Customary are legally defined in metric.
Yeah measures like a foot were never standardized across countries using imperial before napolean introduced metric, as the french foot was 13 inches or so, making napolean at least as tall as putin and not the 5 1 under that measure.
Probably. Because their understanding of metric is next to none. So they don’t even know what to convert it to. We also often take for granted with that we grow up with.
It wasn’t until I was 25 that I realized woodworking and sewing, isn’t part of the normal elementary school curriculum abroad.
It’s far from easy for someone that grew up in a different system to get a good reference of what different units feel like. It’s the kind of change you need multiple new generations for.
The only reference Americans have for metric is 9mm
The only reference Americans have for metric is 9mm
Way to show your ignorance. We also buy our soda in liters.
I’m having way too much fun with refusing to convert to or even learn that abomination of a system. Whenever a Murrican starts a conversation with inches, feet, ellbows or whatever I ask them what they mean and whether they can convert that to real units please.
Middle Earth?
Being a mechanical engineer in the US constantly switching between both systems really sucks. And for much more than just length and temperature
This could’ve been dealt with decades ago if people weren’t afraid of change.
If the brits were able to mostly switch in the 20th century the americans should have been more than able to.
And if the weights didn’t fall into the ocean.
How many British thermal units does it take to heat up a slug of water 1 degree Celsius?
1g water == 1ml water ==
1cm^21cm^3 waterAt 3C. 1 liter at room temperature will be about 2-3g off.
Nah you made it even worse.
Squared centimeters for a volume measurement?
Oops! A mistake, of course
Their 2.5L bottles must be huge
But it’s really easy. Wanna know how many inches are in a mile? One inch is 0.0254 m. One mile is 1609.344 m. 1609.344 / 0.0254 is 63360. There.
But what if there are no inches in that mile, only yards? Or parsec? Oh, wait…
or just eagle elbows
i tooked astronomy in college a while ago, to know how long is 1 parsec.
I always assumed 1km = 0.6 miles because all all of the car guys yapping about 0-100 and 0-60. Good enough, tbh. Inch is 2.5cm, and there are 12 of them in a foot for some reason. Pint is slightly less than half a liter, pound is slightly less than half a kilo, and anyone mentioning stones gets stoned to death. Simple enough.
Just wait until you try to understand American cooking recipes. Cups everywhere! My favorite was “A cup of spinach”, without any mentioning if they were talking about fresh spinach (losely or densily packed) or cooked/frozen one.
I always assume there’s absolutely no point in expending brain cells to store this information and therefore exclusively deal in metric. (Except for DnD for some reason, but that’s also about to change)
Wanna know how many inches are in a mile?
No. Nobody wants to know that. Nobody needs to know that.
Nobody needs a measurement with a magnitude of a mile to the precision of an inch. And if they did, they’d either measure the whole length in inches or decimal miles, not some bullshit multiple-unit travesty.
Ya’ll are solving a problem that never existed in the first place.
Railways? Large tunnels? Bridges?
Show me.
If I’m building a railroad, I’m going to need mm precision in laying sleepers and rail, sure. But I’m not particularly interested in km magnitude while I’m driving spikes.
If I’m driving a train over that rail, I’m interested in km lengths, but I can tolerate several hundreds of meters of imprecision in those measurements. No need to convert to meters, let alone mm for that measurement.
The closest I’ll come to needing both km magnitude and mm precision is in figuring out how much material to order.
But, when I do that, what I will actually be converting isn’t length to length. I’ll be figuring out how many sleepers per km, how many rail segments per km, how many buckets of spikes per km. None of those will be simple metric unit conversions.
But, when I do that, what I will actually be converting isn’t length to length. I’ll be figuring out how many sleepers per km, how many rail segments per km, how many buckets of spikes per km. None of those will be simple metric unit conversions.
This is actually the primary strength of imperial and the impetus behind most of its conversion ratios. Base 10 is just terrible for being divided. But if you have a mile of railroad, you can place your rail and stakes regularly at almost any foot-length and come out even.
Exactly. Our base-ten number system is cursed. A base-twelve metric system would be gorgeous. Our existing clocks would already be metric.
In addition to scaling by “10” (pronounced “ten”), current Metric Rulers commonly scale by 2 when going from centimeter to 1/2 centimeter markings, or by 5 when going from cm to 2mm markings, depending on the degree of precision required. Rarely do rulers actually scale from cm to 1mm. You typically need calipers to make measurements smaller than 2mm.
With base-twelve, we’d still be able to scale by “10” (pronounced “twelve”), but we’d also be able to scale by 2, 3, 4, or 6.
Well the main reason why the metric caught was there were many many mny versions of older systems in place. You may have heard a french inch was different then an English inch. But it was way more complex then just that.
Even in a single country different industries could all use a gallon but have it be different. Need 39 yards of rope for your ship? Well is that paris or vince yards? Also better remember the currency conversion.
Having one system was better since everyone could now agree on how long something was. This is also why metric time failed to catch on. Everyone agreed on days, weeks, years etc etc.
Bingo. That’s the true advantage of the metric system: everyone uses it. Unit conversion is a highly overrated function.
Metric time will only catch on if and when we adopt interplanetary travel and are no longer fundamentally tied to the rotation and revolution of a particular rock around a particular star.
I’ve never wanted to know how many of any unit are in a mile. It’s just something I’ve never had reason to care about. So there’s 1000 meters in a kilometer. That’s just trivia to me. There’s no need to know that.
