• Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    I like all the comments ready to take a fisting in the ass from Microsoft just to keep Windows 10.

    If you raised a fucking stink instead of taking this shitty deal, they may be forced to keep supporting it for free anyway like they did with Windows 7.

    They’ve really got you guys cowed into paying for the convenience of getting fucked, don’t they?

    This is a company with a market cap of $3.04 trillion and you guys are just gonna bend over and take it for $30 bucks? Wew lad. They don’t need your fucking thirty dollars, and you fucking know it. It’s a god damned shakedown.

    Microsoft: Wouldn’t it be a shame if your computer was somehow insecure and got hacked?

    Sounds like a Mafioso showing up for protection money to me.

    EDIT: There’s still about 700 million Windows 10 PC’s still on the market. If every single existing Windows 10 machine paid for this service, Microsoft would make $21 billion dollars next year off this alone. It’s a shakedown, do the fucking math. (700,000,000 x $30 = $21,000,000,000) Even if only half do it, it’s still a cool $10.5 billion.

    EDIT II: This also normalizes the practice of paying for security updates for consumers. You really want to take us down that path where every security update is paid?

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      Microsoft: heh heh heh, looks like you’ll be paying me $30 for that windows 10 installation.

      Me: Bitch, I’m on Windows 7, and keep ignoring the OS bitching at me to turn the firewall on!

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            To be fair, that really depends what you use your PC for. Looking at youtube without a profile, and reddit and the news, playing music, offline games. You will be 100% fine. If you have to log into somewhere with sensitive data, don’t. But as a secondary device you PROBABLY will be fine. Requires significant discipline, to not accidentally log into facebook on it though.

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              Me not logging into facebook doesn’t require discipline. I haven’t done it in…

              checks time

              …ever.

              Now, I DO log into government nuke code websites. And I also check Burger King’s website. Just to see if they still sell burgers.

              As of last week…they do!

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                See for exaple the fact wheter you ‘have’ to have facebook kinda locates you as an American. This is the issue with ‘sensitive’ data you may or may not know what it is.

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              Why are people on your LAN exploiting vulnerabilities on your computer? Don’t you also have a network firewall and NAT?

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                The biggest danger isn’t viruses sneaking their way in, it’s from the web browser and email client.

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      It would make sense if Microsoft was liable for any security faults. I’d actually pay for something like that but of course you’re probably paying for some nebulous promise of something between security at best effort basis and whatever they feel like.

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      What an idiotic perspective. Microsoft has supported W10 for literally 12 years at the cutoff date. Show me another software product that receives TWELVE YEARS worth of free support. 30 bucks is fair enough. For enterprises this is play money, if you are a private, you could upgrade fucking 7 keys. Which means, you didn’t need to pay a fucking cent to MS since 2007. No one has ever matched this kinda support. Ten percent of this is considered fucking generous.

      And herre is a thought for you. The reason why windows is full of adware and spyware is precisely because of dickheads, who won’t pay 30 fucking dollars EVERY TWENTY YEARS. This is your fault.

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      Hmm, but did they say the last version of Windows, or the last version of Windows you’re going to buy? And if it’s the latter, is the upgrade to Windows 11 free? If yes, then technically it’s still correct.

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          Thank goodness the clouds parted and his holy billionaire visage emerged with the gift of [*angelic chorus] vaccines otherwise we would all be dead now (and he wouldn’t have made a 20 to 1 return on investment). Thank god for billionaires and their unquestionable wisdom.

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        I mean, that was back when if you wanted a home computer, you were building it yourself from parts from Radio Shack. Not exactly the same thing. I’m not certain that even Apple had the Apple 1 out at that point. I know they hadn’t made the Mac 128k, and weren’t going to for several years.

        I haven’t ever met anyone that thought Bill Gates was prescient, just a lucky businessman.

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          The joke being that he didn’t actually say it, same as Microsoft never stating 10 being the last version of Windows ever

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      I 'member.

      Twas Dickity 14 or so, and I plan to make good on Microsofts words.

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      They never actually said this. Some MS Engineer did and the press ran with it.

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        And even that engineer only said “last” to mean “latest”, which is obvious from context, but why let that get in the way of clickbaity articles.

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          It happens a lot by german talking people. Latest and last are the same word here

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            He was asked what they are working on now that they released Windows 10. He said they are still working on Windows 10 as it’s the last (latest) release of Windows and still being developed. Yes he could have worded it better.

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    Considering that when people paid $100 for that OS they were told that it would be the “last Windows to be released”, shouldn’t there be a class action lawsuit?

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      They weren’t told that, that was an off-hand comment by an employee (not even a spokesperson) that the media took and ran with. Source:

      Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10.

      I think they meant “latest” not “last.”

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        For what it’s worth

        “Recent comments at Ignite about Windows 10 are reflective of the way Windows will be delivered as a service bringing new innovations and updates in an ongoing manner, with continuous value for our consumer and business customers,” says a Microsoft spokesperson in a statement to The Verge. “We aren’t speaking to future branding at this time, but customers can be confident Windows 10 will remain up-to-date and power a variety of devices from PCs to phones to Surface Hub to HoloLens and Xbox. We look forward to a long future of Windows innovations.”

        https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows

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          Windows will be delivered as a service

          Which is largely true, there have been a number of “service packs” that were released as regular updates throughout the Windows 10 lifespan. So it definitely seems they want people to not think about the specific Windows version they’re on. From that article:

          Microsoft could opt for Windows 11 or Windows 12 in future, but if people upgrade to Windows 10 and the regular updates do the trick then everyone will just settle for just “Windows” without even worrying about the version number.

          Windows 7, for example, had one major service pack, with a few isolated updates, whereas Windows 10 had a major update about every 6 months, and each one of those checkpoints was supported for about a year and a half. The final update was at the end of 2022, and it’s support runs 3 years.

          So yeah, I think they met what they said, but the messaging wasn’t particularly clear how long that support would be provided for.

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    “Enrolled PCs will continue to receive Critical and Important security updates for Windows 10; however, new features, bug fixes, and technical support will no longer be available from Microsoft,” explains Yusuf Mehdi, executive vice president and consumer chief marketing officer at Microsoft.

    Don’t threaten me with a good time.

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      Anyone who’s had to open a Microsoft support ticket can assure you technical support is already not available from Microsoft.

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        You have to be a really, really big company with an established connection with Microsoft to actually talk to the real engineers. Any tier of regular support only gets you the “sfc and clean boot” garbage.

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    $30 to not have to deal with Windows 11 for another year feels like the deal of the century.

    I love how they’re like ‘but you won’t get new features!’. They may have still not figured out that nobody cares about ‘new features’ being stuffed into the OS, but I guess you can’t have everything.

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        I just want all windows games to run on linux with equivalent performance and without anticheat hurdles. After that happens i’m done with windows.

        Honestly, i’m really not that far off as-is. Steam Deck already runs most of my library, it’s just the games that don’t work with a controller that are a problem.

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            Except for more and more multiplayer games unfortunately. If you only play single player games, Linux gaming is awesome. If you play with your friends, the shitty anticheat situation means you may need to keep Windows around. I have Windows 10 just for Fortnite because my friends play. GTA Online just killed Linux play by adding BattlEye. Just today, one of the biggest online games that did work on Linux including its anticheat dropped support (Apex Legends). We desperately need a way to fight back against this bullshit, because it’s undoing all the incredible progress we’ve made. Valve needs to start banning games from their store for retroactively breaking Linux support.

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              Valve needs to start banning games from their store for retroactively breaking Linux support.

              Valve did recently mandate games will have to share if they use Kernel Level Anti-Cheat. If nothing else it allows people to better see what games want to own their systems.

              If you play with your friends, the shitty anticheat situation means you may need to keep Windows around.

              Highly suggest the new Factorio expansion with friends. Game is a shitload of fun and there is no anti-cheat BS.

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              The way you fight is by using Linux and contributing to the percentage of Linux users on the steam hardware survey. Developers pay attention to that. More Linux users means more support in the future.

              Everyone wants to switch to Linux but nobody wants to make the sacrifice of being one of the early adopters to help turn the tide away from windows.

              I’m personally gonna do a dual boot with windows as a backup.

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                Roblox also doesn’t work on Linux IIRC. I don’t play it but it was in the Linux gaming news cycle a while ago that they broke Wine compatibility, not sure if it was anticheat related or not.

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                  yeah it was their own anticheat. you can play it perfectly fine (except scrollbars are a bit fast) with Sober though.

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                  Could you just spin up WIndows VM if you have decent computer like 16GB RAM and somewhat powerful GPU?

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            Yeah, I made the switch to Mint recently and have been pleasantly surprised with how much of a non-issue it is. Open steam, hit install, hit play. Game runs.

            Only thing I had to do was enable a single checkbox in steam to enable Proton for Windows games: “Enable Steam Play for all titles”

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              A handful of games need slight nudges one way or another but overwhelmingly it just works. Way better than it was just a few years ago.

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          Linux will get multiplayer game support from those straggler game companies when people show the userbase is there. They will always follow the money. So if you stay with Windows the devs won’t support Linux. So saying “I’ll move to Linux once they support it”, will ensure they will never support it.

          My suggestion is to dual-boot for now and keep putting pressure on the game devs to support Linux. It’s important to dual boot and run as many games on Linux as possible for now to show in the steam metrics that more people are leaving Windows.

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          I just want all windows games to run on linux with equivalent performance and without anticheat hurdles. After that happens i’m done with windows.

          That’s one strategy. Mine is to just say “fuck it” until the devs and studios make their games more playable on Linux. I can deal with not playing some games to make that happen. That’s not for everyone though.

          Switching to a better non-mainstream alternative to anything always brings some compatibility pains until enough are doing it to where the tide shifts. I accept this.

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            I would just use my desktop for that use case. There’s still a small minority of games that just don’t work via proton but it’s really a minority.

            I’ve also seen a handful of games with linux builds that just don’t run properly because they update the game but don’t do enough QA to the linux build or simply don’t put resources towards linux issues to the same degree that windows gets.

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              I ran PopOS on linux for years, every game I had worked, and actually performed better than on Windows, once Proton got to version 7.

              • with the exception of games that run multiplayer kernel level anti cheat.

              ** oh and almost all of those games use anti cheats that are compatible